omnicalculator: tells you when you will get the vaccine

[johnny2007]

It's called triage. Covid can kill you, an excruciating pain won’t. The fact that it’s been going on for a year proves that.

So you are another one who believes that it is ok to let people rot in their pain and ignore them, hoping that they commit suicide in desperation or they die of the cause of the pain (cancer springs to mind).
When a simple care could sort the problem, get that person back to work, producing and paying tax which incidentally goes back to the nhs in the range of 20%.
Even from a financial point of view this new policies don't make sense.
Remember: the NHS was funded to serve the people.
The NHS was not funded to serve Lord Covid and His followers.
The NHS was not funded so the people could serve it.

 

[Mottie]

So you are another one who believes that it is ok to let people rot in their pain and ignore them, hoping that they commit suicide in desperation or they die of the cause of the pain (cancer springs to mind).
When a simple care could sort the problem, get that person back to work, producing and paying tax which incidentally goes back to the nhs in the range of 20%.
Even from a financial point of view this new policies don't make sense.
Remember: the NHS was funded to serve the people.
The NHS was not funded to serve Lord Covid and His followers.
The NHS was not funded so the people could serve it.

Fair enough. You have your view. What’s your solution re Covid? Ignore it? Pretend it isn’t happening? What would you do?

 

[johnny2007]

Fair enough. You have your view. What’s your solution re Covid? Ignore it? Pretend it isn’t happening? What would you do?

Dedicate a number of beds to Lord Covid accordingly to the official figures and keep open all other wards and services.
I probably mentioned here that I went to west mid hospital and saw miles of empty wards.
A neurological hospital in north London has been virtually shut down since march, but it sits there almost empty.
All operations cancelled unless life threatening.
So if you're losing function of an arm because of a trapped nerve, you will not be seen.
My former colleague died of heart attack at home, alone, because they didn't let him in a&e.
You walked here, you must be ok...
Of course his death was registered as covid and his body quickly burnt.
And I'm pretty sure that many medical records will go missing when solicitors firms will start suing the nhs for negligence in cases like this.

 

[durhamplumber]

So you are another one who believes that it is ok to let people rot in their pain and ignore them, hoping that they commit suicide in desperation or they die of the cause of the pain (cancer springs to mind).

What a fukín stupid comment.

 

[durhamplumber]

The NHS was not funded to serve Lord Covid and His followers.

A person presenting with severe breathing difficulty is more critical for immediate treatment than a person with a chronic illness such as cancer...a doctor can only treat one person in one bed at any one time..And the cancer patients are still being treated.

 

[johnny2007]

It's called triage. Covid can kill you, an excruciating pain won’t. The fact that it’s been going on for a year proves that.

What a fukín stupid comment.

Look at the initial post.
Because someone has been in pain for a year, it is ok not to treat them.
That is stupid.

 

[durhamplumber]

Look at the initial post.
Because someone has been in pain for a year, it is ok not to treat them.
That is stupid.

Whatever was said before is no excuse for your comment.And as i said..people with chronic conditions are being treated..Big difference between managing patient with potential of dieing in next 5 mins over someone with chronic condition.

 

[johnny2007]

Whatever was said before is no excuse for your comment.And as i said..people with chronic conditions are being treated..Big difference between managing patient with potential of dieing in next 5 mins over someone with chronic condition.

This is where you're wrong.
Patients with life changing illnesses and life threatening illnesses although not imminent (cancer) are not being treated.
At best they're given pain covering medications to get by until they die.

 

[durhamplumber]

Patients with life changing illnesses and life threatening illnesses although not imminent (cancer) are not being treated.

My relatives have cancer and have continued to be treated over the last 2 years..not missed a day..so it is not 100% universal in the missing cancer treatment stakes.As said..my aunty was treated in a few weeks so waiting lists have not even increased that much..I do not imagine the NE is way out in front in a postcode cancer lottery.

 

[Mottie]

Trouble is with this pandemic you could have 10 people die of/with it one day and within a few weeks you could be up in the thousands. What happens when you have hundreds of people in that are not likely to die imminently and then you have thousands that are dropping like flies? You have to leave some space and prioritise for that possibility so that’s why all non-urgent stuff is postponed - and no doubt that is why you are seeing all these so-called empty Covid wards. I understand that the Covid patients are treated in the operating theatres and icu's and you often can’t see into those wards. I know, it’s no consolation to those that are suffering though.

 

[durhamplumber]

Dedicate a number of beds to Lord Covid accordingly to the official figures and keep open all other wards and services.

And how do you cope with winter spikes of Covid? There is not an endless supply of staff and eqipmt..Eventually you need to prioritise the treatment to imminent chance of death or treat chronic patient..Immediately.The staff do not always have the luxury of going off and thinking about it a bit

 

[Lower]

This is where you're wrong.
Patients with life changing illnesses and life threatening illnesses although not imminent (cancer) are not being treated.
At best they're given pain covering medications to get by until they die.

So what have you done about your specific problem? Have you spoken with your GP about getting them to up the urgency of your referral? Have you chased the clinics directly about getting an appointment? Have you considered going private?

 

[big-all]

Says I should have my first jab between April and June, and have 2nd jab by September.

That's 4 months earlier at least than first predicted

i am 67 it says next week or the week after which i think is at least 6 weeks away thats assuming the second dose now due for the first batch requires no resources or the vaccinations will now virtually stop or at least drastically slow down for new groups like me till they are all done within 12 weeks or there dosages are possibly wasted

 

[IT Minion]

It's called triage. Covid can kill you, an excruciating pain won’t. The fact that it’s been going on for a year proves that.

Chronic pain is often incurable. Almost by definition as If it were curable (within 3 months or so) then it wouldn't be chronic, it'd be acute. The fact that pain is the defining aspect is also a bad sign, it doesn't have a diagnosis for the cause of the pain that could be treated.

Treatment for chronic pain is also limited in effectiveness. Overtreatment is a massive risk as seen by the US opioid crisis. It's a ****ty condition by all accounts.

 

[ajohn]

I think I will copy paste a post I made for people who really and truly don't understand hospital problems.

There is a way the plumber can say what he is saying but he is either being rather thick or playing smart arse because in some ways what he is saying is correct.

A hospital is set up to provide for some area that contains a population of people.
Overtime they know what they will need to treat and the numbers of people who need specific treatments. There is a right rats nest behind that where people could wish they were in BUPA.
The equipment needed is provided to allow them to do that.
They hope to provide the people needed to service it. That actually includes some bought in as temps even nurses.

So they are set up to handle a whole range of things at expected rates few needing oxygen for any length of time or ICU's. Some areas are deliberately limited to some handling rate. Winter flu is one as the need varies. In all years it's trivial compared with covid and has been for a very long time but it and increases in other areas usually makes them rather busy for a while over winter. Getting hip etc replacements can take a long long time. Some treatments aren't given as the outcome isn't economically feasible. Some might die as the result of the treatment so how many survive etc. Some things are easier to cure than others. Drug costs come into it - is what they offer worth while. MRI costs more than x-rays and those cost more than ultrasound scans. Personal beef for me due to a problem I had especially when the ultrasound man told me they find nothing at all on the people they scan for this type of problem and they scan loads. I'd love to know who came up with the idea of calling NICE nice.

So along comes covid and suddenly rather a lot of people need oxygen and also ICU's. That then limits capacity so the boost it anyway they can. They need to do as much of their normal work that they can without people who need it catching covid. That means dividing the work force and the hospital but the workers in both areas can still catch it so people in self isolation numbers creep up. They are just as likely to catch it away from work as we are. In covid areas they do their best to avoid catching it but nothing is perfect so some do. They are a rather specialised lot so to keep things going that has to stop. That removes people from other areas limiting what that area can do.

There are 2 other covid areas other than the ICU's. What might be called covid wards and HDU's, those for people who may need an ICU. Things started changing in the 1st wave. Better treatment and equipment that reduces the numbers going into ICU's. It doesn't change the numbers going in and probably extends treatment time. Seconds to catch it and a week plus to cure.

Currently HCU's look to be the limitation along with increases in the numbers needing just oxygen. There is an increase in younger age groups in that area. Then comes the fact that there are more cases as well. Death ratio appears to be better than during the 1st wave but time will tell. Looks like we gained 20,000 deaths in the quiet period - not newsworthy in terms of daily rates.

28day deaths. Well 60 day is still published and it's just marginally higher and also the death certificate covid count is always higher.




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