opinion of copper pushfit?

[ColJack]

so what do the pro's think of the copper push fit connectors you can get now?
are they reliable?
do they need any special consideration / prep?
are they suitable for use inside a stud wall?

 

[JMLanders]

No need to use copper pushfit if they're not visible - it's the innards that count, not the exterior casing.

As for prep, if you're using plastic pipe, don't forget the inserts. Either way, a spray can of silicon lubricant is worth getting - squirt a bit in the fitting before assembly.

 

[ColJack]

i don't get your first comment..
they're not exactly pretty things to look at so why would you use them for aesthetic reasons?

it's copper into copper ( still need inserts? ).. and not mine, someone who's self build blog I'm following..
timber frame bungalow, first fit bathroom..
I don't think they look very secure, there looks to be less insterted into the fitting than with compression or solder fittings. and they don't seem to sit straight..

last thing you want inside a timber framed wall is a water leak...

 

[JMLanders]

i don't get your first comment..
they're not exactly pretty things to look at so why would you use them for aesthetic reasons?

The copper ones look more attractive than the plastic ones - especially if you're going to have joints in copper pipes. The effectiveness of the joint is determined by the grab ring and silicon 0-ring inside the fitting and not what colour the casing is (a bit like the inside of an electric socket being the important bit and not whether the facia is plastic or 22 carat gold)

it's copper into copper ( still need inserts? )

no

I don't think they look very secure, there looks to be less insterted into the fitting than with compression or solder fittings. and they don't seem to sit straight..

last thing you want inside a timber framed wall is a water leak...

I agree, but others on here swear by them. Left to my ow devices, I'd have a solder joint anywhaere tht will not have easy access. These cost about 10p instead of considerably more for a speedfit.

 

[ColJack]

they cost YOU 10p, but to those of us not in the trade it also costs us a roll of solder, a tub of flux, a soldering mat, wire wool, can of gas and a torch..
granted the NEXT one only costs us 10p

 

[Agile]

Most professionals would always favour copper pipe and soldered connections!

The only one that I feel totally happy with is Tectite but they are expensive!

I have used a little plastic pipe and some pushfit fittings and I have never had any failures.

But I go to repair a lot of failed pushfit joints. Most I can identify a problem with the way it was fitted. A few seem to have been done properly but still failed.

In an accessible area like under floor or inside a wall my view is that ONLY soldered joints should be used.

Of course there are always those who are more interested in their profit and how quickly they can complete the job than the quality and reliability of their work. They use the cheapest bits and aim to finish by 3.30 every day!

Tony

 

[PEDANTICVINDICTIVEMAN]

Most professionals would always favour copper pipe and soldered connections!

The only one that I feel totally happy with is Tectite but they are expensive!

I have used a little plastic pipe and some pushfit fittings and I have never had any failures.

But I go to repair a lot of failed pushfit joints. Most I can identify a problem with the way it was fitted. A few seem to have been done properly but still failed.

In an accessible area like under floor or inside a wall my view is that ONLY soldered joints should be used.

Of course there are always those who are more interested in their profit and how quickly they can complete the job than the quality and reliability of their work. They use the cheapest bits and aim to finish by 3.30 every day!

Tony

Ahha, so you have been to one of my jobs then

 

[Axel]

Use Yorkshire fittings if you don't want to buy a roll of solder.

Some pushfit manufacturers guarantee 50years on their fittings if installed correctly with the correct pipe.

More reliable to use plastic pipe through holes in joists than notching joists or having excessive number of joints.

 

[Happyplumber]

Pushfit is used extensively on new build especially due to health and safety issues with hot work

If done correctly then there is absolutely nothing wrong with speefit or HEP,there are now new plastic pipe fittings on the market stuff like the buteline which is crimp based and the joints have been tested extensively by trying to pull them apart,the pipe fails before the joint!

Yes i am very old school and prefer copper especially where it is visible,but i can also see the merits of plastic

The tectite (yorkshire) push fit fittings are aesthetically pleasing so they can be on show,unlike the others