Our political system, what 'is' the answer?

[MNW67]

Utter rubbish. Do you think they were all gently persuaded and asked nicely to leave if they didn't mind thank you in the past?

Not much has changed.

Leftyism has become a religious cult. You don't even know why specific things are bad, you've just been told to think that.

No, but it was much more low key and intelligence led. And extremely effective. They could have continued with that approach. But Trump wanted to broadcast the spectacle of thousands of highly militarised agents using mass sweeps and other counterproductive tactics. The only people being misled are those who believe what Trump says.

 

[blup]

the pot of gold

Lol, one moment we're broken Britain. the next the streets are paved with gold.

 

[Odds]

That all sounds like a justification for communism.

What's your alternative to billionaire ownership? State-control? You mean like the BBC, with all its dodgy reporting and many issues over the years.

If you remove all independent journalism then you end up with China, Russia or North Korea. Although I suspect the likes of Starmer and Hypno-tits Polanski (or whatever his stage name is) actually want this to happen.

You just sound like any other far right meat-puppet when you say something like this.

Socialism is not Communism.

Write 100 lines after school.

 

[Odds]

By the way, ICE were very busy capturing and deporting lots of illegals long before Trump. Under Biden, Obama and all other do-gooders. It's just law enforcement, it's always happened. The only difference is that the lefties are now being told that they have to get angry about it by their thought-controlling masters.

The only difference now is Trump's thugs are executing American citizens on the streets.

 

[richw]

How about:
- No political appointments in the Lords (there is value in a sensible and diverse second chamber)
- MPs must live in their constituency (no one parachuted into a safe seat - you are supposed to represent an area!)
- MPs must have children (skin in the game for the future)
- MPs must be at least 50 years old (life experience)
- MPs must have worked for at least 15 years in the private sector (experience of wealth creation)
?

I'm not convinced that 'parties' (of any shade) are a good idea, but I can see how 650 independent MPs could be tricky!

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

I would like all illegal immigration to end as soon as possible. But I also believe that the consequences of 40,000 people coming here illegally each year are often overstated. Even if it was to be ended tomorrow, most people would notice absolutely no difference to their quality of life.

As stated above, I believe there is something much bigger going on in the West. A combination of what is known as an 'existential vacuum' and something which has recently been called 'Westlessness'. It means that a large proportion of people in the West are angry and anxious, but they don't really understand why. They need some problem to blame for their anger and anxiety. Currently, it is the 40,000 illegal immigrants coming here each year. But I am positive that if that problem was solved, they would realise it hadn't made them feel any better, and they would move onto a new problem.

You do talk some patronising intelligence-insulting rubbish.

Have you been to any English city in the last few years? You wouldn't recognise most as being English any more, the white english have run away in fear.

Meanwhile you undoubtedly sit in some middle-class white-only enclave and spout that you "don't really understand why". You don't understand because you're not experiencing what others are seeing, on a massive shocking scale in the places they once called home for many generations.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

You just sound like any other far right meat-puppet when you say something like this.

Socialism is not Communism.

Write 100 lines after school.

OK, I'll put it more clearly.

Socialism is the path towards communism.

Always has been, has always been denied but it's the absolute written plan of the Fabian Society, founders and drivers behind the Labour party.

 

[MNW67]

You do talk some patronising intelligence-insulting rubbish.

Have you been to any English city in the last few years? You wouldn't recognise most as being English any more, the white english have run away in fear.

Meanwhile you undoubtedly sit in some middle-class white-only enclave and spout that you "don't really understand why". You don't understand because you're not experiencing what others are seeing, on a massive shocking scale in the places they once called home for many generations.

We were talking specifically about whether stopping the boats would actually make people any happier.

You now seem to have moved on the larger issue of immigration in general. I believe that some bad decisions were made in the past. But there isn't really anything that can be done about that now.

 

[Highway Man]

We were talking specifically about whether stopping the boats would actually make people any happier.

I think it probably would, I know there are more problems in the country but this is high on the agenda, chip away at the problems 1 at a time and if the boats could be stopped as a first I think it would make people happy and then move onto the next problem to be fixed. Everything cannot be fixed in one hit so the boats is a great starting point.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

But there isn't really anything that can be done about that now.

There's lots that can, will and absolutely must be done about it, before the country becomes an absolute wreck and to try and reverse as much damage as possible.

Cut the dole. If you haven't paid in you can't take out. They can make their minds up whether to stay or not.

Also flush out the illegals that are living and working here under the radar. Perhaps have some sort of Immigration Customs Enforcement type of squad, it would need a shorter name though.

But of course legal, working people will be welcome to stay, pay taxes and probably live much happier lives in a country where people don't assume they arrived on a boat.

 

[MNW67]

There's lots that can, will and absolutely must be done about it, before the country becomes an absolute wreck and to try and reverse as much damage as possible.

Cut the dole. If you haven't paid in you can't take out. They can make their minds up whether to stay or not.

Also flush out the illegals that are living and working here under the radar. Perhaps have some sort of Immigration Customs Enforcement type of squad, it would need a shorter name though.

But of course legal, working people will be welcome to stay, pay taxes and probably live much happier lives in a country where people don't assume they arrived on a boat.

Do you mean cut the dole for everyone. Or just for certain ethnic groups.

I have no problem with enforcement against people who are here illegally.

 

[morqthana]

How about:
- No political appointments in the Lords (there is value in a sensible and diverse second chamber)

Elected?

- MPs must live in their constituency (no one parachuted into a safe seat - you are supposed to represent an area!)

Probably not always practical.

- MPs must have children (skin in the game for the future)

Discriminatory.

- MPs must be at least 50 years old (life experience)

Yes, raise the minimum age. I think 50 is too old - doesn't leave enough time to build the expertise you need to be any good.

- MPs must have worked for at least 15 years in the private sector (experience of wealth creation)

Not all private sector work provides experience of wealth creation, nor is public sector work to be less valued. In fact experience of the latter is at least as important amongst MPs.

I'm not convinced that 'parties' (of any shade) are a good idea, but I can see how 650 independent MPs could be tricky!

True.

But remember that the interests of an MP's party should be low on their list of priorities.

The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke’s famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there is no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy.

 

[Lirefighter]

We were talking specifically about whether stopping the boats would actually make people any happier.

What people are you on about exactly?
Are you unhappy about the number of illegal immigrants gaining unfettered access to this country, the country you live in legally?
Do you think it is wrong/racist/bigoted to be concerned about this recent influx of undesirables?
Take each question one at a time please!

 

[morqthana]

You do talk some patronising intelligence-insulting rubbish.

No - he just says things that you don't like.

Have you been to any English city in the last few years?

I have. A number of them. I live in one.

You wouldn't recognise most as being English any more, the white english have run away in fear.

Re the latter, they haven't.

Re the former, I'm not a racist.

Meanwhile you undoubtedly sit in some middle-class white-only enclave and spout that you "don't really understand why".

Oh trust me - I know EXACTLY why you give your location as "Englandshire", EXACTLY why you hate immigrants, EXACTLY why you bang on about "the white English".

You don't understand because you're not experiencing what others are seeing, on a massive shocking scale in the places they once called home for many generations.

"Home" for me carries different connotations, and has different requirements than it does to others.

 

[morqthana]

OK, I'll put it more clearly.

Socialism is the path towards communism.

Maybe you should put as much effort into thinking clearly as well as expressing things.

Always has been, has always been denied but it's the absolute written plan of the Fabian Society, founders and drivers behind the Labour party.

Never has been, and has always been denied because it's always been untrue.

I would ask you to prove the allegation, which of course you could if it really was in a written plan, but it isn't, you can't, and more importantly you won't even try.

You may well double down on the falsehoods, and throw out more insults, but those aren't proof.

If you wanted to know the truth you could read the Wikipedia page on them where you would learn that they're more often criticised by the left than the right, that Lenin didn't like them, that Trotsky didn't like them, that Marxist historians don't like them.

If you wanted to know the truth you could read this in The Spectator

The truth about the Fabian Society

It’s a strange feeling finding out that you have been part of a revolutionary group that secretly controls Britain and, er…didn’t realise it

spectator.com

(Yes this Spectator

If you wanted to know the truth.