Our political system, what 'is' the answer?

[morqthana]

Errrr thanks for the patronising waffle.

You seem to have a habit of trying to dismiss anything you don't like but are unable to argue against as patronising waffle or rubbish.

I'm not paying money to read an article that's written by a member of the secret society it's supposedly describing.

1) It's free, so that's one plank gone.

2) It was written by someone who was an employee, some 30 years ago, so that's another plank gone.

3) It's not a secret society. So that's the last plank gone.

I did say you could read the article if you wanted to know the truth. Do you?

Fabians are in favour of getting into power by promising nice gentle socialism then gradually progressing towards communism. Because if they were honest and promised their true goal then nobody would vote for them.

That is just nonsense. I don't know who has told you that, but you really ought to stop listening to them, as they are telling you the most ridiculous and outrageous lies, which are leading you to try and function in the world whilst having a seriously distorted view of it, which can't be good.

Starmer's obviously following this path. Banning and control free speech, locking up critics etc. All totally as expected.

And yet you're in favour of even harsher penalties for people protesting and demonstrating in favour of causes which you happen to disagree with.

 

[JBR]

But in reality, almost everybody who bangs on about illegal migration is a racist.

I bang on about illegal immigration. At the same time, I have many friends and acquaintances who are not white but are of racial origins other than white British. The difference is that they are working people, some professional (eg, doctors, optometrists, etc). None of them regard me as a racist. To add their own opinions, generally they too are against illegal immigration of people who do not bring any value to our country, some of whom have shown that they do not live by our laws, such as raping young girls for example.

How do you feel about illegal immigrants who rape young girls?

 

[morqthana]

I bang on about illegal immigration.

Indeed you do.

No comment.

To add their own opinions, generally they too are against illegal immigration of people who do not bring any value to our country, some of whom have shown that they do not live by our laws, such as raping young girls for example.

How do you feel about illegal immigrants who rape young girls?

I feel that the best way to deal with someone who jams those two issues together like that, if I don't want to fall foul of the mods, is to say I'm not going to discuss it with you.

 

[richw]

But in reality, almost everybody who bangs on about illegal migration is a racist.

I don't think that's fair.

What's the issue with not wanting people illegally in the country? It's not that different from not wanting people illegally in my house or car. I don't see how race comes into it: I do not make any distinction for race. Someone here illegally is here illegally and should not be (you can see notices to this effect in UK Border entry points).

 

[richw]

[No political appointments in the Lords]

Elected?

If we have elected Lords, are they really any different to MPs? Isn't the idea that they can scrutinise without fear of a quick vote-out, and not bow to the potential mob of democratic rule? So I can see why you would have people like judges and bishops. Maybe we need to think about re-vamping the list of professions to choose from?


[ MPs must live in their constituency ]

Probably not always practical.

Don't see why not. If an area doesn't want to put anyone forward and vote them in, then that area can go unrepresented (surely that's unlikely).

 

[MNW67]

Don't see why not. If an area doesn't want to put anyone forward and vote them in, then that area can go unrepresented (surely that's unlikely).

It sounds like a good idea on paper. But historically we might have ended up losing out on some of our greatest leaders. If Winston Churchill, for instance, hadn't been able to choose a consituency to run in, we might have lost the war.

 

[JBR]

Indeed you do.

No comment.

I feel that the best way to deal with someone who jams those two issues together like that, if I don't want to fall foul of the mods, is to say I'm not going to discuss it with you.

So you don't feel at all strongly about such things, then? I didn't think you would, somehow!

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I bang on about illegal immigration. At the same time, I have many friends and acquaintances who are not white but are of racial origins other than white British. The difference is that they are working people, some professional (eg, doctors, optometrists, etc). None of them regard me as a racist. To add their own opinions, generally they too are against illegal immigration of people who do not bring any value to our country, some of whom have shown that they do not live by our laws, such as raping young girls for example.

How do you feel about illegal immigrants who rape young girls?

This is often how the debate is shut down. If you argue for stopping the boats and a tougher immigration stance, you're racist.

 

[morqthana]

So you don't feel at all strongly about such things, then?

I didn't say that.

I didn't think you would, somehow!

No comment.

 

[morqthana]

How do you feel about illegal immigrants who rape young girls?

This is often how the debate is shut down.

Indeed it is.

 

[morqthana]

[No political appointments in the Lords]

If we have elected Lords, are they really any different to MPs? Isn't the idea that they can scrutinise without fear of a quick vote-out, and not bow to the potential mob of democratic rule? So I can see why you would have people like judges and bishops. Maybe we need to think about re-vamping the list of professions to choose from?

So if you don't want political appointments, and you don't want elections (and presumably you don't want to go back to hereditary peers), how do people end up in the second chamber?