Our political system, what 'is' the answer?

[Highway Man]

Sounds like fun, but they don't deserve my valuable time!

I understand what you are saying, but the trolls aside the rest of us like to hear what you say. You do learn to ignore the trolls after a while and just take them for what they are. They like arguing because they have very few social skills and you have to take what they say with a pinch of salt.

 

[SPLINE]

National decline isn't confined to Britain.
It's a white Western European phenomenon.
Decolonisation by the West has allowed the freedom of movement for millions of former subjects of the Empires.
With technological advances, you can fly from one side of the world to another within hours, you only need a smart phone to see how the rest of the world live.
People from outside see how people in theWest live and they want part of that life.

That's a left-wing lie Vinto! The idea of Western decline has been put about by communists who want you to think that it is inevitable and that eventually we will be so.mixed that everybody will be coffee coloured. For aeons we and other countries recognised that certain peoples were savage and we defended our territory against them. Many countries still do this. The invasion of Britain by the third world was caused by Tony Blair and his successors as a deliberate act of evil... it is not a result of improved air travel. There were planes long before Blair.

 

[morqthana]

eventually we will be so.mixed that everybody will be coffee coloured.

That would be a problem, why?

 

[King Billy]

Not helped when Dyson transferred production to the Far East.

What was the question?

 

[Vinty]

that eventually we will be so.mixed that everybody will be coffee coloured.

Not really a new idea.

 

[Vinty]

That's a left-wing lie Vinto! The idea of Western decline

I should have said Western decline relative to the rest of the World.
Take China for example, 100's of millions lifted out of poverty by so called 'communism', which really isn't Communism at all, the Chinese call it Market Socialism or something.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

That would be a problem, why?

You're where I was when I was younger. What we need is a great big melting pot. It all sounds lovely.

I grew up in a mixed race area. Well, white british and pakistani muslims anyway. The areas where people lived were fairly segregated, but we lived on the fringes where people mixed.

I remember as a lad walking my dog, some young kids in their garden were looking at him through the gate. I took him over to them, assured them he wouldn't hurt them, he popped his head through, they were stroking him and were utterly fascinated. Then came an almighty screech of foreign words from the kitchen, the kids ran into the house. My first experience of culture clash. Fine I thought, their parents are different but the kids are open to our culture.

Church-going Christianity was fading from our lives. It seemed that the muslims at my school weren't very devout, we were all shedding our pasts and moving towards a new common future of compromise and humanity.

A few decades later, things have gone backwards. Muslims have utterly segregated themselves, want nothing to do with us, have stopped learning English and are running their own schools and even courts.

The experiment has failed. Now we need to work out what to do about it. Do we accept a fragmented nation, or do we confront it?

 

[ellal]

The experiment has failed. Now we need to work out what to do about it. Do we accept a fragmented nation, or do we confront it?

Not sure what you mean by 'experiment'...

And also what do you mean by 'confront it' or be 'fragmented'?

What would be your final solution to end your perceived problem once and for all?

 

[MNW67]

A few decades later, things have gone backwards. Muslims have utterly segregated themselves, want nothing to do with us, have stopped learning English and are running their own schools and even courts.

It is a complex picture. But some of that is nonsense. The vast majority of Muslims in the UK speak English and the vast majority of the children go to mainstream state schools. The courts are a bit like Jewish courts. They don't deal with law as such. On a one to one basis, Muslims are just as friendly as they have ever been. Most of the kids are very westernised. The main issue is that they tend to want to live together in their own communities.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Not sure what you mean by 'experiment'...

And also what do you mean by 'confront it' or be 'fragmented'?

What would be your final solution to end your perceived problem once and for all?

Multiculturalism obviously. It hasn't succeeded anywhere.

If differing cultures are going to co-exist then they need to move some distance away from where they started from. We've moved away from Alf Garnett and the Black and White Minstrels. But it seems we're the ones doing all the tolerating.

We need to start by accepting that a fragmented society is a problem. Many think it isn't, or that suggesting it is racist, shutting down debate is the left's way - e.g. Starmer today telling Jim Ratcliffe to be silent or else.

Shutting down Sharia courts and ignoring all the unelected unaccountable 100% male community representatives would be a very good start. MPs and councillors are how we do things. See where we go from there.

 

[JBR]

Multiculturalism obviously. It hasn't succeeded anywhere.

If differing cultures are going to co-exist then they need to move some distance away from where they started from. We've moved away from Alf Garnett and the Black and White Minstrels. But it seems we're the ones doing all the tolerating.

We need to start by accepting that a fragmented society is a problem. Many think it isn't, or that suggesting it is racist, shutting down debate is the left's way - e.g. Starmer today telling Jim Ratcliffe to be silent or else.

Shutting down Sharia courts and ignoring all the unelected unaccountable 100% male community representatives would be a very good start. MPs and councillors are how we do things. See where we go from there.

I agree with you. Multiculturism isn't working today. When there were fewer it was acceptable, but now that some places: Birmingham, Bradford, London, etc, are becoming majority muslim it is becoming conceivable that the country as a whole could become the same. They do, after all, breed like rabbits.

 

[MNW67]

We need to start by accepting that a fragmented society is a problem. Many think it isn't, or that suggesting it is racist, shutting down debate is the left's way - e.g. Starmer today telling Jim Ratcliffe to be silent or else.

What can we do about it, though. This has never been an experiment as such. It was an economic decision. We actively recruited workers from Pakistan when we were desperately short of labour.

 

[JBR]

What can we do about it, though. This has never been an experiment as such. It was an economic decision. We actively recruited workers from Pakistan when we were desperately short of labour.

Good point. Can we do anything about it?
Those invaders who are here illegally could be removed (it doesn't really matter to where), but there are still millions here legally and they tend to breed rapidly.
Today, of course, we are not short of labour. In fact, we seem to have many - perhaps even millions - of young people who don't want to work, and why should they? They are happy to live on handouts, though they seem to be unaware that when the money runs out they are going to come unstuck!
What a future to look forward to. If I had children, I'd seriously be thinking about emigration.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

What can we do about it, though. This has never been an experiment as such. It was an economic decision. We actively recruited workers from Pakistan when we were desperately short of labour.

Correct. The same logic doesn't apply today, we have a surplus of unskilled labour but are still importing more.

There are wonkier less logical thought processes driving decisions today, policy has become idealogical rather than logical. As Blair said, rubbing our faces in immigration. They want to beat the British population into submission, divide and conquer us.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Those invaders who are here illegally could be removed (it doesn't really matter to where), but there are still millions here legally and they tend to breed rapidly.

We're paying them to breed. Which the tories stopped and Labour are re-starting.