Our political system, what 'is' the answer?

Correct. The same logic doesn't apply today, we have a surplus of unskilled labour but are still importing more.

There are wonkier less logical thought processes driving decisions today, policy has become idealogical rather than logical. As Blair said, rubbing our faces in immigration. They want to beat the British population into submission, divide and conquer us.

I don't think we are importing unskilled labour these days. The rules are complex, but I am pretty sure you need a work visa.
 
I don't think we are importing unskilled labour these days. The rules are complex, but I am pretty sure you need a work visa.
I agree. We are not importing unskilled labour as such, because they have no need to work. The country (we) are supporting them for absolutely no return, presumably to make the government look nice and helpful. I'm sure that they cannot foresee the future.
 
I agree. We are not importing unskilled labour as such, because they have no need to work. The country (we) are supporting them for absolutely no return, presumably to make the government look nice and helpful. I'm sure that they cannot foresee the future.

Most visas are no recourse to public funds.
 
I don't think we are importing unskilled labour these days. The rules are complex, but I am pretty sure you need a work visa.
Mostly. But then the entire family follows. We end up providing massive levels of support to get one worker, it doesn't make any sense.

If we're going to state-subsidise people to move here and do work then we'd be better off having the state subsidise british workers - perhaps a free bus pass, relocation, training, whatever. Spend money that actually results in a long term gain.
 
The benefit cap didn't actually stop people having children. It just meant that lots of children had much worse lives.
I'm not sure. Short-term it's not going to make much difference. Longer term I'm sure it does. But I'm sure lots of lefty state-funded bodies have produced "research" claiming otherwise.
 
Mostly. But then the entire family follows. We end up providing massive levels of support to get one worker, it doesn't make any sense.

If we're going to state-subsidise people to move here and do work then we'd be better off having the state subsidise british workers - perhaps a free bus pass, relocation, training, whatever. Spend money that actually results in a long term gain.

I think work visas will be no recourse to public funds plus there will be a payment each year for each person to cover the NHS etc.
 
Church-going Christianity was fading from our lives.
Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion as are Islam and Judiasm.
If Christianity fades away and Islam takes over, then we will just be exchanging one set of Middle Eastern religious fruitcakes for another.
I would prefer Buddhism to replace Christianity personally.
 
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You've never noticed a tendency for people complaining about "illegal migrants" to also go on about their race, their religion, the negative views they have about what those mean for their "culture", their negative views on what they mean for "the survival of the white English", and so on?

Maybe there is some correlation: maybe not. Obviously, we only hear of loud-mouths, so don't really know what most think. I can't see why anyone would be in favour of illegal entry to the UK, from elite wokeists to whatever rough gammon image you want to imagine.

On the other points, what if there was a link with culture? Maybe there is such a thing as cultural compatibility? I don't think all humans are universally the same. We have many different cultures: better, worse and similar. If we had multiple culture groups forced together and one group wanted to erase the other, that wouldn't end well, would it? So in theory, I can see how you might have problems.

Perhaps we could agree on safer ground? Is there any justification at all to import low/un-skilled people? (who will be a net drain on the taxpayer). Is there any justification in importing men fleeing from war? Perhaps, Ukraine-style, men should stay and fight, and we can perhaps talk about women and children?
 
Is there any justification at all to import low/un-skilled people
I thought the justification was that there wasn't enough indigenous labour available to do all the jobs that needed done.
Also the easy availability of cheap imported labour has led to the creation of business models based on cheap imported labour.
Most of these businesses are run by Tory party supporters, that is why immigration levels exploded under the Tories.
We had Rishi Sunak an unelected PM from India, under his 'leadership' immigration from Asia was at record levels.
 
Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion as are Islam and Judiasm.
If Christianity fades away and Islam takes over, then we will just be exchanging one set of Middle Eastern religious fruitcakes for another.
I would prefer Buddhism to replace Christianity personally.
When I was younger I thought it was obvious that all dogmatic religious belief was fading into the background and we were all becoming a mixed bag of assorted humans.

I was wrong. We were compromising, muslims just saw this as weakness.
 
What about Jewish religious courts.
They operate along the same lines as Sharia courts.
Both have no legal standing in UK law BTW.
Any judgements they make are not legally enforceable.
Fine, shut them all down. If they're calling themselves a court and issuing orders then they have no place in our society.

If it's a chat with the vicar (or equivalent) and he's giving personal advice and not telling anyone to do anything then that's fine.

Politicians need to grow some balls and enforce a strict division between a secular state and religion, with absolutely no compromise or fear of being called racist.
 
What about Jewish religious courts.
They operate along the same lines as Sharia courts.
Both have no legal standing in UK law BTW.
Any judgements they make are not legally enforceable.
And they need the agreement of all relevant parties to be subject to those courts.
 
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