Pan connectors

[ldoodle]

Hi,

I have a flexible connector at the moment, and the rubber seal seems to be giving as there is a drip after flushing. It doesn't help that the location of the waste in relation to the pan outlet means the connector is probably on the 'stretch' limit.

It's a McAlpine part (I think WC-F26S), with a 90mm straight end outlet that enters the waste (standard 110mm) with what I understand to be a 'ring seal', not that I want to replace like-for-like anyway due to the tightness of it.

What's the best option to replace? Probably only need an extra 20-30mm! My setup is back-to-wall with a concealed cistern - housed in a unit rather than hidden in the wall. So if I could incorporate even an offset pan connector in the existing flexible one that would probably sort me out - can/should you daisy-chain actual pan connectors though?

Are McAlpine the "best"?

Thanks

 

[ldoodle]

Can you get something like this, but instead of being a pan connector inlet it's where the pan connector outlet goes into? I could replace the existing connector like-for-like (or even keep it) if I could raise the height slightly of the soil waste and angle it towards the pan which would ease the stress enough I think. Instead of at the moment the connector stretching both diagonally across towards and then down in to the waste (which faces up at floor level).

https://mcalpineplumbing.com/wc-con...ctors/wc-con16-45deg-angle-rigid-wc-connector

Or would I need an actual soil waste 45 degree and solvent weld it?

 

[Madrab]

A quick pic of what you are doing would help. Cant you just extend the soil outflow point with a piece of pipe?

Can you daisy chain connector, yes and it happens all the time, is it proper, afraid not as it's just another flexible seal that can fail .

 

[ldoodle]

Just pulled it apart and had a look actually. I initially thought the pan connecter went straight in to the (finished floor level) elbow but there is a straight piece coming out of it (solvent, 1.25" exposed) where the pan connector goes into. If I compress the flexi and hold it somewhere approximate if an elbow was used, 45 degree would be no good, 90 would be more suitable.

 

[terryplumb]

Where exactly is it dripping ?

 

[just pumps]

I`m only going by the photos which can be misleading however could you go straight back towards the wall with slight fall > turn left> horizontal with fall> down into connection with solid pipe.

 

[ldoodle]

Where exactly is it dripping ?

At the pan end. The rubber seal on the connector is a bit flimsy, added with the tension on in it (the actual connection to the pan).

 

[just pumps]

At the pan end. The rubber seal on the connector is a bit flimsy, added with the tension on in it (the actual connection to the pan).

Far too many pan spigots are out of round nowadays hence people like McAlpine do a pan connector with a jubilee clip to get over this problem.

 

[terryplumb]

There is something amiss with the pan outlet ,or more likely the seal in the Flexi waste pipe. Have you removed it and checked the seal and retaining collar ??

 

[ldoodle]

Far too many pan spigots are out of round nowadays hence people like McAlpine do a pan connector with a jubilee clip to get over this problem.

I did see it on their website, but the overall length is even shorter than the one I have already.

 

[ldoodle]

Have you removed it and checked the seal and retaining collar ??

Yeah, that's why I say it's a bit flimsy now - cleaned it all out as well. When I put it back I connected the pan end first to make sure it was on all the way and square, but when I stretch it out to reach the waste it does definitely move a little

 

[ldoodle]

I`m only going by the photos which can be misleading however could you go straight back towards the wall with slight fall > turn left> horizontal with fall> down into connection with solid pipe.

If I reverse the direction, you mean: elbow to the right off the existing pipe coming out of the floor > straight pipe > elbow towards the pan > straight pipe > straight pan connector

Is 1.25" on the existing straight pipe enough to get a decent connection?

 

[terryplumb]

Was it leak free when originally fitted ?How long ago ?

 

[ldoodle]

Was it leak free when originally fitted ?How long ago ?

Yeah - 6 years ago almost to the day. It started very recently when I had to replace the concealed cistern, which required moving the toilet out a bit, which in turn meant re-seating the pan connector.

 

[terryplumb]

There you go ,once removed should be replaced. The rubber seal is tight and flexible when new ,after 6 years it's lost elasticity and is pre formed. Fit a new one, mcalpine.