PC Andrew Harper's

Somebody wrote why has this degenerated into a thread about Israel...

So I went back through it.

#27, Elsa mentions Hezbollah.
#52, Elsa mentions Hezbollah and Hamas.
In a screenshot in #98, Elsa mentions Israel in post #73. However, go back to post #73 and it is completely different, with no signs of an edit having taken place.

#126 says JohnD diverted another thread...
#139, Elsa blames Noseall...

Like a dripping tap, Elsa gradually introduces more and more references to Israel.

Then blames others when the thread goes off-topic!

Meanwhile, MB is waiting in the wings...
Just low end trolling. Very poor really.
 
Somebody wrote why has this degenerated into a thread about Israel...

So I went back through it.

#27, Elsa mentions Hezbollah.
#52, Elsa mentions Hezbollah and Hamas.
In a screenshot in #98, Elsa mentions Israel in post #73. However, go back to post #73 and it is completely different, with no signs of an edit having taken place.

#126 says JohnD diverted another thread...
#139, Elsa blames Noseall...

Like a dripping tap, Elsa gradually introduces more and more references to Israel.

Then blames others when the thread goes off-topic!

Meanwhile, MB is waiting in the wings...
post 21 conveniently ignored.. good effort though.

you might want to go back to
2, 5, 12, which were factually incorrect and then from 19 it went down hill.
Nosenout trolled the post as per usual and trollmod amplified it with a dollop of jew hate.

Now Labour plan to fix a problem of their own making.

Nosenout said it couldn't happen. Poor old boy is never right.
 
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Back to the substantive thread about PC Harper's killers ...

I'll admit that I remain uneasy about Harper's Law - the idea that the severity of the crime depends on the identity of the victim strikes me as difficult. Don't get me wrong, I feel all the outrage for what happened but the idea that any other person getting killed while trying to prevent these scum getting away would now be - effectively - a lesser offence cannot be right.

Anyway, much has been made about the fact that the government can't exclude these two from the ERS because, if they do, they'd have to exclude all of the 500 or so on manslaughter offences and that would mean not enough prison space is cleared.

Why?

I am not saying it is good law, or even a good idea, but as a technical thought process what is to prevent the government putting forward a law explicitly excluding these individuals from the ERS?

Or, even a new law that says "the ERS will not apply to any individual guilty of having committed the following offences against an emergency services worker"?

Yes, that would get challenged but by the time the courts got round to it, we're years and years away ... It where remaining in the ECHR is a good idea as the case backlog there would take these two vermin into their dotage anyway.

As I started by writing, I have difficulties with Harper's Law so I am not sure how I feel about further interventions to make one type of manslaugtherer different to another. I'm asking not about the morality of it (one way or the other), more the technical possibility of it.
 
post 21 conveniently ignored.. good effort though.

you might want to go back to
2, 5, 12, which were factually incorrect and then from 19 it went down hill.
Nosenout trolled the post as per usual and trollmod amplified it with a dollop of jew hate.

Now Labour plan to fix a problem of their own making.

Nosenout said it couldn't happen. Poor old boy is never right.
This "jew hate" claim is mentioned a lot.

If this cannot be substantiated, the claims should cease.
 
post 21 conveniently ignored.. good effort though.

you might want to go back to
2, 5, 12, which were factually incorrect and then from 19 it went down hill.
Nosenout trolled the post as per usual and trollmod amplified it with a dollop of jew hate.

Now Labour plan to fix a problem of their own making.

Nosenout said it couldn't happen. Poor old boy is never right.

You and a couple other of your types on here keep accusing people of hating Jews. Care to show any evidence of this?
 
Ok, apparently not back to the susbtantive point of the thread, then. Seems like the usual people are happy just using this topic to continue their usual bickering amongst themselves.

It really is boring for everyone else so I hope you (and you know who you are) are having fun.
 
Ok, apparently not back to the susbtantive point of the thread, then. Seems like the usual people are happy just using this topic to continue their usual bickering amongst themselves.

It really is boring for everyone else so I hope you (and you know who you are) are having fun.
 
This "jew hate" claim is mentioned a lot.

If this cannot be substantiated, the claims should cease.
it should stop, fortunately, most of the posts have been reported and deleted. It doesn't stop the OPs from posting again and it doesn't stop observers, spotting the pattern.
 
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