Perjury

[JohnD]

I understand that the 12-year basic sentence was based on the norms for 16 and 17 year old murderers, at the time the murder was committed.

What would you consider an appropiate sentence for a 17 year old murderer, Joe?

 

[Blasphemous]

I understand that the 12-year basic sentence was based on the norms for 16 and 17 year old murderers, at the time the murder was committed.

What would you consider an appropiate sentence for a 17 year old murderer, Joe?

With respect John, my own opinion is that it would depend entirely on the situation and motive ie if a 17 year old murdered their father and/or a relative that has abused them physically, sexually etc over a period of time then I'd be inclined to want the 17 year old released without charge even if they did premeditate the murder.

 

[JohnD]

well, I suppose that's why there is a "basic" sentence, with adjustments according to the circumstances of the case.

however the circumstances you describe don't apply in this case, do they?

 

[joe-90]

I don't see that it was premeditated. They never set out to kill Lawrence. It was mob mentality thing. I reckon it's way too late to punish them now as they are no longer kids. I reckon they will get off on appeal. If I had committed murder as a teen, I really don't see that locking me up today would be justice. I'm not the person today that I was then - so why punish me now? The old me has long gone. Isn't it supposed to be about rehabilitation?

 

[Blasphemous]

well, I suppose that's why there is a "basic" sentence, with adjustments according to the circumstances of the case.

however the circumstances you describe don't apply in this case, do they?

Indeed not but I think you're wasting your time if you're hoping for a reply from the freckled bespectacled one.

 

[Blasphemous]

I don't see that it was premeditated. They never set out to kill Lawrence. It was mob mentality thing. I reckon it's way too late to punish them now as they are no longer kids. I reckon they will get off on appeal. If I had committed murder as a teen, I really don't see that locking me up today would be justice. I'm not the person today that I was then - so why punish me now? The old me has long gone. Isn't it supposed to be about rehabilitation?

No, it's about punishment. Rehabilitation is something they hope to achieve. If the law is all about 'rehabilitation' then all fixed 'penalty' fines need to be abolished.

 

[joe-90]

A fixed penalty notice is a slap on the wrist. You cannot punish a person that no longer exists. They had their chance to lock them up 20 years ago.

 

[Blasphemous]

A fixed penalty notice is a slap on the wrist. You cannot punish a person that no longer exists. They had their chance to lock them up 20 years ago.

You're fully entitled to your misguided opinions Joe just don't expect to your 'fishing' to work. To be honest with you, it's wearing thin now mate.

 

[joe-90]

Sorry, but it's not fishing. That's how I see it. Are you the same person you were as 17 year old? Why am I not allowed an opinion just because it differs from yours?

 

[JohnD]

What would you consider a "lenient" sentence for murder?

What would you consider an appropiate sentence for a 17 year old murderer, Joe?

Oh, well...

 

[ryme64]

They were under age.

They were juveniles at the time they committed murder. This isn't a case of a 16 and 17 year old caught drinking!

They did not commit murder.
Please get your facts right.

 

[ryme64]

A fixed penalty notice is a slap on the wrist. You cannot punish a person that no longer exists. They had their chance to lock them up 20 years ago.

You're fully entitled to your misguided opinions Joe just don't expect to your 'fishing' to work. To be honest with you, it's wearing thin now mate.

Joe.
You now have been warned personally by a mod.

Two faced that he is.

 

[Blasphemous]

Sorry, but it's not fishing. That's how I see it. Are you the same person you were as 17 year old? Why am I not allowed an opinion just because it differs from yours?

As I said:

You're fully entitled to your misguided opinions Joe

As you well know, we agree on lots of things.

Fishing or not (I still think you are), I'm not getting into it with you Joe for that very reason.

 

[joe-90]

What would you consider a "lenient" sentence for murder?

What would you consider an appropiate sentence for a 17 year old murderer, Joe?

Oh, well...

It's this particular case that we are looking at - not some generic sentencing.

 

[JohnD]

Two men found guilty of the 1993 racist murder of Stephen Lawrence in south-east London have been jailed for life.

They did not commit murder.