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Buy a diesel car. It'll run on anything. Bullet proof. :wink:
Don't tell em all Steve! If they all go for diesel the price will go up. Stay with your petrol cars folks - 22mpg is fine for you lot! :lol:

diesel is already more expensive and is likely to rise more than petrol. Diesel engines are more expensive, heavier and dirtier (PM10'S).
 
Love it - you keep your petrol engine DM. :lol: Spread the word for us poor diesel drivers that are spending 10% extra a litre and getting nearly double the mileage. :roll:
 
Neither do I anymore. (well, I pay fuel benefit....)
Personally, I prefer the way a diesel drives too. So much torque. You have to work a petrol harder to keep up with a diesel as petrol engines are not as efficient.
But as I say, you keep on flying the flag for the petrol engines and keep the prices of diesel lower for those that know better. Forget what i said earlier - petrol engines are SO much better that diesels. Buy petrol; diesels are horrible noisey smelly slow beasts! :roll:
 
Buy petrol; diesels are horrible noisey smelly slow beasts! :roll:

most are, only the few high end manufacturers, audi, bmw and the like are producing decent diseasels, even then the only ones worth having are the big capacity engines. the rest are rather workmanlike ****boxes for cheapskates who think a larger MPG is somehow helping the environment.

if i could trade my diseasel in for a petrol van i would. sadly i doubt such a beast exists anymore and my misinformed employer would probably think it bad for the environment to provide me with a petrol engine.

even more useful would be an LPG van.
 
I have a Citroen C4 1.6HDi. Its great. When i test drove it, I also took a Peugeot 207 out. That was petrol. I am aware that Peugeot and Citroen use very similar engines (my car has the same engine and sounds exactly the same as my neighbours Peugeot 207 HDi)

The peugeot i test drove was awful. I couldn't get used to it. Yes, it had power, but it wqas too jerky to drive for me. I was changing gear too low (used to diesels, changing at 2000rpm). Then I got in the C4 and I got used to it straight away. So easy to drive, and it has plenty of oomph in the lower revs, which I like. And it was doing 50mpg on the test, which I liked more. :wink: The peugeot did more like 35mpg. And clearly diesels have less to go wrong, more reliable, less servicing (clock set at 12500 miles)
 
I have a Citroen C4 1.6HDi. Its great.... and clearly diesels have less to go wrong, more reliable, less servicing (clock set at 12500 miles)

That old curmudgeon, Honest John, would beg to differ:


On 1.6HDI the rubber diesel engine fuel return pipes can expand and pop off.

End of plastic dipstick of 1.6 HDI engine can break and drop into sump requiring removal of sump to retrieve it.

Flexible flywheel and clutch problems on 2006 1.6 HDIs, unresolved at end of 2006 due to shortage of parts.

Watch out for rejected disaster zone C4s coming back onto the market. Be particularly careful at auction.

Wiper blades can come off leaving the rest of the assembly to scratch the screen. 2006 MT cars have modified wiper blades with clips to prevent this from happening. Plastic paint wears off the stereo buttons.

One reader's list of complaints: "Glove box door disintegrated; door mirrors are happy to adjust up/down, but not laterally, some rattling trim and rear view mirror regularly falls off support. Power steering components replaced after C4 started to ' skip ' around corners. Computer often forgets date/time and the screen matrix can ' bleed ', causing a blurred display."

Another reader's problems: "Cruise control has come up Faulty (service) on the dash. Now the crusise has come up faulty again. I am having bag noises coming from the front wheels. Sounds like dry joints or something. There is also something loose in the boot lid. Maybe a screw or something worked loose. "

Yet another's problems: The paint came off the roof spoiler [ common fault I was informed ]. Rear shock absorbers replaced [ knocking ], Water ingress in rear light & side repeater. Zone climate control blowing hot only drivers side.

Problem of diesels slipping into limp home mode put down to throttle butterflies sticking or their spindles wearing prematurely causing them to stick. The throttle position sensor identifies this and sends a message to the ECU to limit the engine to limp home mode.

Have been some total disaster zone cars. One reader's saga with an 05 Citroen C4 VTR+ Coupe (2 Ltr 138BHP) bought with 18,500 miles in February 2006 and at 35,500 miles in December 2007. (This car may have already been a 'lemon' rejected by the previous owner.)

"I'd like to point out that the car has never boken down on me. It's never left me stranded, but so many things have had to be replaced, its unbelievable.

01/03/06 - Doors Rattling and CD Changer Skipping. This required a return visit to rectify

16/05/06 - CD Changer again, Suspension Knock on pull away, Sucking Noise when opening throttle. No faults found, nothing rectified (XYD Airbag ECU recall carried out)

28/11/06 - A/C Leaking into Footwell, AC Whining, Rear of car 'skipping' in corners, front suspension still knocking, exhaust knock on startup, clutch becomes stiff when used a lot (town traffic, traffic jams), Brake Judder, Rear Brakes make unusual noise when reversing. FIX: Blocked AC Drain cleared, Compressor drive pulley replaced, exhaust mount replaced, rear brake pads replaced (known issue). All other problems unrectified.

22/12/06 - Clutch heavy and 'gritty ' feeling when in traffic, Brake Judder, dulled performance and Sulphur smell, coolant leak. FIX: Clutch replaced (warranty), Radiator replaced (warranty, leaking from seam), Cat replaced (warranty, broken up), Front Brake disks replaced (not covered by warrenty) also XYT Vehicle Immobiliser Recall carried out.

02/10/07 - Front Suspension still knocking, Airbag warning light on, Heater broken, cruise control failure, boot seal worn and paintwork damage on one side, rear suspension groaning. FIX: Both front Ball Joints excessively worn, replaced. Airbag connection remade under drivers seat, Heater mixer flap motor/gears replaced (known issue technical bulletin C4 8NO8), entire steering wheel hub switch pack replaced (cruise control), boot seal replaced and tailgate position
adjusted, Rear shocks replaced, both leaking.

Hidsons Rainham have been possibly the best dealership Ive ever dealt with. Seemingly much more professional, they listened to what I had to say, always provided me with a free courtesy car (even on the last visit, when I was without my car for over 1 1/2 weeks, due to Citroen failing to implement a warehouse computer upgrade successfully. All work has been covered under warrenty (except front brakes, by this time the car had 27,000 miles on the clock).

So far this car has had over £3k worth of new parts, plus all the labour costs, the car only cost me £10,500. Unfortunately, however, the clutch is still no better and the airbag light still intermittently shown itself when the drivers seat is moved.

Out of curiosity, I have visited and joined several Citroen forums and on the whole, the C4 is considered a good, well built car. Mine is maybe an odd ball, its a fairly early model so this may explain many of my problems.

Also, an ongoing problem which Kevin (Service Manager at Rainham) has raised with Citroen is, after allowing the suspension to settle, when pulling away and turning the steering wheel (pulling out of a parking space etc) the suspension seems to groan and the steering feels heavy. The car feels like its 'skating' or sliding across the road surface. Once this has happened, its ok until the suspension settles again (which can be when parked or on a long motorway stretch, its a bit disconcerting when you get to the first corner off of the motorway cause you never know what its going to do)."

Clutch life of EGS can be as short as 24k miles. Should be a warranty issue as Citroen cannot claim driver abuse for failure of an automated clutch over which the driver has no control.
Recalls
25-4-05: recall Picasso, C4 and C5 built 1-7-04 to 10-10-05 because diesel fuel return pipe may leak. Unspecified date: recall to make sure rear brake pipes. July 2006 check air bag computer.

7/01/2008 R/2007/191 potential loss of abs and esp functions VF7######74102211 to VF7######74553249 build 02/06/2005 to 26/09/2006; VF7######74100223 VF7######74461623 build 25/05/2004 to 04/04/2006; VF7######74313674 to VF7######74552935 build 07/04/2006 to 26/09/2006


05/02/2008 R/2008/017 CITROEN C4 & C5 possibility of reduced braking performance VF7******74299142 to VF7******74459012 build dates 01/07/2005 to 30/03/2006
 
Any modern citroen is shyte, that's why they're so cheap! Better to save your money and buy a german or jap motor.

I'd rather a second hand jap/german to a brand new citroen anyday.
 
A German or Jap motor wouldnt have as standard:

Cruise control
Variable speed limiter
ABS
EBD
5* NCAP
Trip computer
Digital readout of all info

No, I dont see even BMW offering this as standard yet.

Never mind eh, they'll catch up. :wink:
 
A German or Jap motor wouldnt have as standard:

Cruise control
Variable speed limiter
ABS
EBD
5* NCAP
Trip computer
Digital readout of all info

No, I dont see even BMW offering this as standard yet.

Never mind eh, they'll catch up. :wink:


They are standard or available as options. Why do citroen have to have all these as standard AND be cheap to sell them?

It's because they are s h i t. I have owned pugs and citroens so I know from experience! Honda and Bmw are miles ahead. FACT.
 
...the rest are rather workmanlike ****boxes for cheapskates who think a larger MPG is somehow helping the environment.
I must be missing something here, but would you care to explain why this is not the case?

I agree with Nickso.

Its a shame that car manufacturers have spent a century making petrol engines as clean and as efficient as possible. Now everyone is buying smelly diesels.

If a petrol car passes you when you are walking, you can hardly smell anything. You soon know when a diesel car passes you. Diesel cars are anti-social, and should be banned in cities. As for the particulates that diesels produce, several studies show that they are injurious to health.
 
As for the particulates that diesels produce, several studies show that they are injurious to health.
When was this study? In the 80's???

Get with it man. Its the 21st century! Yes, they are louder, but they are certainly more efficient and clean than they used to be.

1.4 diesel = about 110g/km of co2.
1.4 petrol = about 130g/km of co2.

Clearly they spent a century doing . . . not a lot! :wink:

If you're worried about progress, stay indoors. :roll:
 
When was this study? In the 80's???

Get with it man. Its the 21st century! Yes, they are louder, but they are certainly more efficient and clean than they used to be.

1.4 diesel = about 110g/km of co2.
1.4 petrol = about 130g/km of co2.

Clearly they spent a century doing . . . not a lot! :wink:

If you're worried about progress, stay indoors. :roll:
He's referring to the particulate matter, not co2 emissions.

Look up DPM or DEP on wikipedia or something ;)
Edit: here we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_particulate_matter
 
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