Quick drying paint or quick drying hell

[markdiynot]

Seen comments about adding a little water to thin it out
Is this ok as I believe it is water based
Will this help stop drag and give me time to go bank over to smooth out and blend in etc
Its drying so fast can’t blend in areas
I’m using B& Q own paint says a dry time of 4 hrs

 

[Wayners]

Need more information on paint.

Gloss, satin or you using emulsion?
Water-based gloss will level out itself if you apply enough.
Better the quality of paint the better the leveling.
Plus if you warm the paint it will flow better as cold paint can not perform well.
Maybe use floetrol if you want to slow drying but this time of year fast drying is not a problem

 

[markdiynot]

eggshell effect paint .. have used water based in past but even when applying a little more it still skins and drags in no time.. you simply don't seem to have enough to go back and perhaps correct a short run or just smooth a section out.. may be using b&q own but its the colour we want,,, and have used dulux in past,,, but have had same problem, always looking for oil based so can take time to do a decent job and finish... however nowadays it seems to be only white being in oil even gone to dulux centres to try and get oil based......... even in cooler temp it still dries quickly.....
had problems with colonial panelled doors,,, complete the panels first but when go round the rest of the door the panels have dried too much so cant blend the panel edge into the face of the door.
heard of floetrol but where to get and how much ? or just try mix of small amounts to see how it goes

 

[freddiemercurystwin]

I've only used Dulux satin quick dry, never again, horrible stuff, everything you've just said.

 

[Wayners]

Your better off using a water-based alkyd.
It's more like an oil based paint vs an acrylic.
Entry level would be the crown fastflow.
Some good prices about for that at the moment.

Crown Trade Fastflow Quick Dry Eggshell | Trim Paint

Crown Trade Fastflow Quick Dry Eggshell provides a classic low sheen eggshell finish. This water based formulation is suitable for use on correctly prepared interior and exterior joinery and metalwork. Its Breatheasy formulation, which is 99% solvent free, means that it is low odour and quick...

www.crowndecoratingcentres.co.uk

WRX you can order prime as an acrylic or from B&Q.

 

[markdiynot]

thanks for help ... have seem now various other posts from over the years...
i will just have to work quickly and perhaps as one posts suggests do the all the panels first ( as i usually do ) but make sure the paint has dried as you wont be able to do any smoothing/blending in....and never go back over the recently painted areas as you will just mess it up
oh hum

 

[Wayners]

If doing a door take off and lay down.
Screw timber to door ends to make legs. Paint one side then flip over and paint the other.
Get a summer fan to move air to speed up drying.
So much easier to lay a door down as won't get runs. Takes 2 mins to remove door and paint hinge side of frame while your at it.
Give it 3 hours and hang back up.

Getting technical.
People apply paint around 40 µm when you really need to be up around 100+.
When you get shown or measure wet thickness yourself its a lightbulb moment and things go better..
I always say get as much on as you can but not getting any runs.
You won't get runs if you lay door horizontal

 

[markdiynot]

thanks for all the info .. appreciated... when are you coming to show me lol

 

[Wayners]

Re paint thickness

But tool off eBay or Amazon.
Read paint data sheet for thickness and get one of these.

Random link I found.

Fast Mover Tools Paint Thickness Gauge 25 - 2000 M| at Zoro

Fast Mover Tools - Paint Thickness Gauge 25 - 2000 Microns 1 Piece available at Zoro.co.uk - UK's Leading Supplier of DIY Tools and Supplies'

www.zoro.co.uk

 

[opps]

Seen comments about adding a little water to thin it out
Is this ok as I believe it is water based
Will this help stop drag and give me time to go bank over to smooth out and blend in etc
Its drying so fast can’t blend in areas
I’m using B& Q own paint says a dry time of 4 hrs

I add Floetrol to help extend the "wet edge" when working with waterbased paints. It is based upon propylene glycol.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Owatrol-Floetrol-500ml/dp/B07Q3FYZJW?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=ABI45FRDC9VH8

I used to specialise in hand painting MDF cabinets (wardrobes etc). 90% of the time, I was able to convince the customer to let me use oil based paints which lay off much better, and flow much more nicely (that said, I did use additives to help the oil based paint flow).

On the occasions that I had to use waterbased paints, the Floetrol was invaluable. Without it, I would not have been able to achieve a finish almost as high as my standard (oil based) finish. The Floetrol enabled me to maintain very fine parallel tramlines (brush strokes) over a distance of 8 foot.

As you apply the second or third coat, the level of suction drops off, meaning that less floetrol is required.

I did however apply oil based undercoat to deal with the suction issue. The downside is that you have to wait a couple of days before applying the waterbased finish, overcoat too early and you end up with fisheyes (the water based paint pushes itself from the solvents released by the oil based undercoat and you effectively end up with dots where you can see the undercoat). I used an oxidising agent to speed up the curing time of the oil based paint.

Terebine https://www.foxtimber.co.uk/product...CoT1Jeig2ht_iFs7c1MyhpJjdtVc01C0bw2_O_uwpHPxI