Quiz (restricted access)

[Doug99]

Letter in the Guardian news paper, some of the right wing fascists on this forum should try and get some alternative information other than The Daily Mail, The Express or The Sun plus other various rags, which they seem to believe in.

"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.

Simon Sweeney,

Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"

You make it sound as if we have just been sitting back on our hands the last 40 years and just let EU manage our affairs. Not wishing to go through your list line by line, but many of the above will still be in place when we leave the EU.

 

[JohnD]

Which of that list would the UK have achieved alone?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

If you want to talk about the history and future of NATO, start your own thread.

Yeh don't ask awkward questions daddyioh!

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Letter in the Guardian news paper, some of the right wing fascists on this forum should try and get some alternative information other than The Daily Mail, The Express or The Sun plus other various rags, which they seem to believe in.

"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.

Simon Sweeney,

Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"

Yeh and if it wasn't for the EU my kids wouldn't have got a year older each year, the sun would have gone out and the earth would have dropped out of orbit yeahhhh! No internet, no colour TV, no smart phones if the EU hadn't happened....FFS the rest of the world kept up without the EU. Wake up.

 

[JohnD]

no, you're wrong there, and your ideas aren't on the list.

Go on, tell us which items from that list the UK would have achieved alone.

 

[woodbine]

For the real story about the EU, you need only look as far as Greece.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

no, you're wrong there, and your ideas aren't on the list.

Go on, tell us which items from that list the UK would have achieved alone.

Most of them. That's my point. You know, for instance.."Fook me the beach is dirty, lets clear it up" as opposed to "Fook me the beach is dirty, what can we do? Oh I'm not sure we're not in the EU". Or " Blimey it's smokey in the cafe and smoke is bad for you, let's ban it" as opposed to " Blimey it's smokey in the cafe and smoke is bad for you but we don't know how to move forward as we are not in the EU". Honestly the way you go on it's miracle any of us managed to go for a terd before the EU.

 

[ajrtd]

Fire and Grouch, and Gasbaggi, are not permitted to watch this. Neither is ajstone.

I don't want to hear of them perishing from apoplexy.



http://video.ft.com/4764197296001/Quiz-What-has-the-EU-done-for-Britain-/world

Thanks for the heads up JD.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Saw that lead free petrol is down to the EU according to that list. Please. Most of the world is lead free now, ooh and believe it or not most of the world is not in the EU..... yet.

 

[JohnD]

no, you're wrong there, and your ideas aren't on the list.

Go on, tell us which items from that list the UK would have achieved alone.

Most of them. That's my point. You know, for instance.."Fook me the beach is dirty, lets clear it up" as opposed to "Fook me the beach is dirty, what can we do? Oh I'm not sure we're not in the EU". Or " Blimey it's smokey in the cafe and smoke is bad for you, let's ban it" as opposed to " Blimey it's smokey in the cafe and smoke is bad for you but we don't know how to move forward as we are not in the EU". Honestly the way you go on it's miracle any of us managed to go for a terd before the EU.

That's interesting.

So, after sea-bathing and sewage pipes first became common in Victorian Britain, when did the UK government introduce a scheme matching or exceeding the "Blue Flag" scheme?

 

[gasbanni]

Letter in the Guardian news paper, some of the right wing fascists on this forum should try and get some alternative information other than The Daily Mail, The Express or The Sun plus other various rags, which they seem to believe in.

"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.

Simon Sweeney,

Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"

Guardianista tripe .......one of the points you raised made me laugh so much I could'n't see.
I'll get back to you soon in the meantime I'll sip my champagne and consider the working classes oh and I think I'll post a link to a DM article.

 

[blightymam]

Which of that list would the UK have achieved alone?

Which ones would we have not?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

no, you're wrong there, and your ideas aren't on the list.

Go on, tell us which items from that list the UK would have achieved alone.

Most of them. That's my point. You know, for instance.."Fook me the beach is dirty, lets clear it up" as opposed to "Fook me the beach is dirty, what can we do? Oh I'm not sure we're not in the EU". Or " Blimey it's smokey in the cafe and smoke is bad for you, let's ban it" as opposed to " Blimey it's smokey in the cafe and smoke is bad for you but we don't know how to move forward as we are not in the EU". Honestly the way you go on it's miracle any of us managed to go for a terd before the EU.

That's interesting.

So, after sea-bathing and sewage pipes first became common in Victorian Britain, when did the UK government introduce a scheme matching or exceeding the "Blue Flag" scheme?

It didn't need to obviously. If we hadn't been in the EU our own legislation would have been brought in.

 

[blightymam]

it's miracle any of us managed to go for a terd before the EU.

Is that the European spelling for turd?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

That list is essentially a list of stuff that happened during our time in the EU. Same as I got taller, bigger, learnt to drive, bought a house etc etc. Most of that stuff is just natural progression.