Re-Wiring a listed building

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None of us are perfect and we all make mistakes as amateurs; however when you engage a professional electrician to do a job and specifically ask him not to place wires on the only beam that is listed in a listed building this was what happened: after a few days I visited the site; opened the front door and what did I see; 6no 2.5mm flat grey twin and earth cables with numerous clips attached to the front of the beam; full length of the beam; 10 foot long; bearing in mind that he was told not to place anything on the front; seen face of the beam; he could, however wire onto the hidden backside of the beam where I would enclose it and decorate it; hidden away.

Then there was the largest room; gave a different qualified electricain a photo copy of the socket layout and off he went; completed the job; sent his bill in, I told him I could not pay him; he had not finished the job; he objected; met him on site, showed him my original sheet; he had a copy; two twin sockets missing; not cut into the wall; told him to finish the job and only then; would he be paid......I find this the usual situation; tradesmen who are driven by money and offer poor service and quality in what they do.

Is it me or them.........you tell me.

Same listed building; ground worker/builder....gave him a sketch of what I proposed; level garden; build retaining wall, lay patio slabbing; stitch cracked gable end and off we go again.....first I set levels pegs to aid the ground levelling for the mini digger man, visited him at teatime and asked him if he was happy with the job he'd done; he'd ignored my level pegs and did it by eye. not very level. Next, the patio. I specified graduated stone down whacked to minimum six inches; off they went with the job; visited them two days later; heads were being scratched; I asked them what the problem was; the 22 foot patio was a little out of level; 9 inches in 22 feet to be exact; they asked me what I thought; I told them that my olives would roll off the table in summertime as we ate outside; take it all up and do it again with maximum 1 inches of slope per 10 feet; not happy bunnies; they had quoted the job. The boss told me they normally lay patio slabs then build retaining walls ontop of the slabs; I told him that is not the way to do it; you excavate foundations first for the wall, put in the concrete foundation next; build the wall; then lay the slabs; finally last job cut all the cuts upto the wall; they laid the slabs; cut the slabs and then laid the foundations; had to recut the cut slabs to make them fit in; he did not like this idea at all. Next the 40 foot retaining wall; the completed this and it was only 4 inches out of level in 40 foot; not bad at all they thought; I have heard of faulty bubbles in levels; must have had one. Then their bricky had to build a step; consisting of four slabs and one course of brickwork; his boss had a drawing showing four slabs; the bricky finished the job with two slabs and I told him it was wrong; not a happy dicky bird was he. The same bricky bigheaded bloke; thought he was worth £200 a day labour then had to build a six foot wide three foot cement block wall at the bottom of the garden; I visited him the day he finished as he laid his cement beds onto soil and told him that was no good at all; do it again; he exploded in anger and told me where to go; not a nice place it seemed. I then told him that in 35 years of business I had never spoken to any customer of mine like that and I paid his wages; he was working for his boss and he was not good at his job at all and not worth a fiver a day labour.....I hastily retreated. This is just one chapter in a book that I could write one day.
 
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It's them. I have just snagged the electrical works on a multi-million pound extension to our site.

The wiring was reasonable but there were items missing, wired wrong, switching not as per drawing. The list goes on and you can see the frustration in the contractors eyes when they have to come in a right their wrongs.
 
Doing any work in a listed building requires the tradesmen to have specialist knowledge ( and preferably experience ) of rules and restrictions that apply to such buildings.

There is a lot to be said for being on site while the work is being done to [1] ensure the listing rules are complied with and [2] to know EXACTLY where pipes cables and other items have been placed.

I am in the midst of a DIY renovation of a grade II 490 year old thatched so have first hand knowledge of the pitfalls of listening to the less well informed tradesmen.
 
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I am in the midst of a DIY renovation of a grade II 490 year old thatched so have first hand knowledge of the pitfalls of listening to the less well informed tradesmen.

Tell me all about it. This is my current project as well. (1619, but not thatched). Pick only local tradesmen who live in villages, preferably in old houses. We've found some very good ones that way. The plumber spent an hour walking around the house generally enthusing over it before he started work. That's the kind of man you want.
 
First question is have you worked with mineral insulated cable.
OK I know one can now use Ali-tube but no where near as neat.
The big problem is Part P, most the guys who have worked with mineral are not members of the schemes and often semi-retired.
I am not saying you always need that cable but where it is needed then they need to be able to do the job that way not try and find ways around it.

But with any job that needs doing you have to select the tradesman and it's not easy. Big mistake is to go by price, going for cheapest is likely to be nasty as well as cheap.

My late sister insisted we did not DIY the alterations to my parents house as she said we never finished any job we started. (Can't really say she was wrong) So she looked on internet and phoned around but most could not complete within time scale or very expensive. But she did find a team offering to do it on time and cheap.

No real surprise that they walked off half way through the job leaving other family members to pick up the pieces. Not saying all cheap jobs are no good but you must realise it's a gamble and so must expect some times for it not to be a win win situation.

Many firms I have worked for employed one or two electricians then would hire a local firm for project work. Normally I would work with them watching what they were doing. But on the odd time I did not notice something and mistakes were made. Intruder alarm cables in with the rest of cables on cable tray etc. But never more than a days work. To walk off and not visit for two days is not how one works with untried firms.
 
Doing any work in a listed building requires the tradesmen to have specialist knowledge ( and preferably experience ) of rules and restrictions that apply to such buildings. There is a lot to be said for being on site while the work is being done to [1] ensure the listing rules are complied with ...
I'm sure that's all good advice, but the fact that the OP related to a listed building is really irrelevant to the problem described. The problem was that the electrician routed a cable in a manner that he had specifically been instructed not to do - and that is clearly inexcusable, regardless of the reason for the instruction!

Kind Regards, John.
 

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