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Jobs that nightmares are made off listed building

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by gardener1214388, 25 Mar 2015.

  1. gardener1214388

    gardener1214388

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    A listed grade two building; task to alter the garden completely. First I drew plans, then peg the garden out with large sectioned level markers and the contractor sent in his mini digger and driver; off he went into the garden; teatime arrived, so called to see him; asked him if he was happy; yes he was; he had dug up all my level markers; wondered what they were said. He had no idea of what was level; he used his own eyes he said; marvellous. Next they built a patio with riven slabs and two days later after starting; I visited them; five big burly blokes stood there looking blank; what is wrong chaps, bit of a problem; that dreaded sentence; heard so many times before. OK then tell me, well then we are 9 inches in 21 feet out of level; is that alright; I said not really; why they said; I said because....in the summer when my patio table is out my olives will roll off the plate; need to sort it out and also 2 inches of down as base is rather somewhat thin; six inches is what your boss quoted for; GET IT SORTED NOW.

    The Patio was to be surrounded partly with a dwarf brickwork wall, they dug the foundations for it, then laid the patio, cutting the edges upto the edge of the foundation...then built the wall; it don't fit master, we have got to take up all the cut slabs and recut again. I said Good Man, one normally would did ones foundation;build one's wall.....then here is the technical bit; then....lay one's slabs and cut them to the wall allowing a space of course upto the wall.

    Next job on the site, a long wall 44 feet long they built for me; 4.875 inches out of level; not bad considering they have a faulty bubble in their level, must be tolerant with them I suppose.


    Finally Remove and re-render the outside large area after stitching toothing the brickwork with new bricks. visited them a few days later; finishing the toothing, ran out of bricks Master, using plastic plugs and small metal butterfly ties; What the hell are you lot doing; if you don't get it right, they get off my site and don't come back and forget about getting paying for shoddy work. This company were on the recommened list of the local council's trusted traders at that time.

    The Building Trade; the stuff of nightmares.
     
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    Jesus you sound a right k n o b, you probably wont pay for real tradesmen, so get the 'qualified' chancers. Then you do their heads in being a k n o b, and so results your overall experience with the trades.
     
  5. gardener1214388

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    Really, the problem in my area is that most of these so called tradesmen have no indentured apprenticeship, no skill and yet run a business; in this case he assured me he was a site contract tradesman.

    The number of tradesmen I have dealt with; no apprenticeship, no qualification, no idea of how to do the job and certainly no idea of how to use a brush and pan.

    By the way, I used to employ Joiners and Carpenters for over 35 years, with heavy machinery; our work consisted of mainly specials all from scratch; do you know how to do ring and cage work on a Wadkin EQ spindle of set up cutter blocks on a single ended large Wadkin Tenoner, or develop tungsten cutters to suit special moulds; that is skill and you need to know what you are doing or you end up dead as one idiot nearly did for me when he forgot to tighten up the shore guard and it hit the cutters sending it like a bullet burying itself in the concrete wall; seconds after I had moved from the bench. So yes my standards are high and don't mind paying for a good job; but not being ripped off as so many around me are doing for crap jobs.
     
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    No, I don't. I walk around with a pipe bender and a blow lamp fitting heating systems/ plumbing houses for a living. Took me 4 years of crap wages to train with my father and uncle. I charge hundreds a day now for my skill, and people are happy. Been in business a while, long enough to smell an awkward one!! :LOL: :LOL:
     
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    If your handy and have high standards, stop leaning on the shovel and do some digging :) :LOL:
     
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    You could always ask to see a C&G Certificate, or better yet a CSCS card (if they have one) - and for the 360 driver a CPCS card. It isn't difficult to check references, especially when as an ex-tradie you do know the score

    Yes, although we weren't a Wadkin shop. BTW did you use the Estephagraph, or some other system?

    Errr. Shaw guard.

    The minute he dug up the level markers you should have stopped him. In fact before that if he were a pro I'd have expected him to turn up with a dumpy level and a tripod and to have actually checked your levels. As a chippie I've learned the hard way never to trust customers levels. 4.875 inches out in 44 feet? Odd measurement that, but for curtain walling I'd be carping at more than 3/4in (at least if I were installing joinery on top of it I would). The question has to be whether or not you agreed a degree of accuracy - or not. But then I'd expect a bit more than a bent 3ft level to check anything. :rolleyes:

    When I went to site in the past I often felt that foremen were weighing me up in part by the range and quality of my kit, how neat and tidy I dressed, etc. Now I'm filling that role myself from time to time I find that they are a useful starting point because the idiots generally don't invest in kit, dress like rag bags, are tardy, etc. Things like that, though, are only a starting point. But then you must know that

    Think on though - their reaction might be worse

     
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    4.875 inches? Measuring brickwork to the nearest thou'?
    Think about it. Bricks aren't made to 5 thou tolerances.
    You can't just transfer tolerances from one discipline to another.
    Surely you didn't make joinery to those tolerances?
    It makes you sound as if you are being picky.

    I'd make sure that I took up references on anyone I employed to do work.
    I wouldn't trust any council list personally.
     
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