Refugees without ID documentation

Roy Bloom said:
The article you linked to suggests that 'the left' do not want open borders. :rolleyes:
You should try reading the articles that you present to see if they support your argument. :rolleyes:
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You not read it as competing factions within the labour party over time.
 
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gant said:
You seem to have understood more than Jimmy.
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There is now way you could hav eread the article in the 7 minutes between denso asking for it, and you producing it.
I've only read half of it in about 10 minutes. And it clearly does not support your narrative.
You should try reading it.
 
gant said:
You not read it as competing factions within the labour party over time.
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It's a hypothetical desire of many to have no borders, to allow people freedom of movement without restriction.
But the article makes clear it's not a practical policy for several reasons: 1) it feeds into the capitalist system and does nothing for the workers, 2) It allows Capitlists to control the type of workers, 3) it's not easy to leave one's place of abode and many will never consider it, 4) it is war that causes migration, and war is caused by capitalist nations and industries.
 
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gant said:
You've know idea, you surprise me something's are common knowledge.

What is the Left case for open borders? – Political Critique [DISCONTINUED]

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The idea of ‘open borders’ must be distinguished from the call for ‘no borders’. While both concepts can be associated with the political Left, they are based on fundamentally different assumptions.
‘Open borders’ assumes that the surface of the earth is divided into mutually exclusive national territories, and that the borders between these territories are open so that people can move freely between countries.

Support for open borders comes from across the political spectrum. On the political Right, free-market advocates sometimes lament that the production factor ‘labour’ is not completely free but that its mobility is constrained by international borders, thus introducing economic distortions and inefficiencies. More in the political Centre, liberal thinkers are rejecting birth-privileges and suggest that open borders would enable people born in countries with unfavourable conditions to level the playing field with those born in rich, secure, and democratically-governed countries.

‘No borders’ is a much more radical idea. The ‘no borders!’ call advocates for a fundamentally different world in which borders themselves no longer exist. This call challenges the prevailing territorial organisation of the global population into nation states and the practices of racialisation and colonialisation that divide people along the lines of citizenship and status.

Although open borders and no borders positions seem incompatible from a theoretical perspective, the Left’s political practices often combine both positions. While a radically transformed way of life and politics may be the ultimate aim, it is also important to act progressively in the context of the existing political circumstances, in which territorial states are a fact. The Left case for open borders is thus a pragmatic step towards global social justice.

Harald Bauder@ Political Critique.org
 
Odds said:
The idea of ‘open borders’ must be distinguished from the call for ‘no borders’. While both concepts can be associated with the political Left, they are based on fundamentally different assumptions.
‘Open borders’ assumes that the surface of the earth is divided into mutually exclusive national territories, and that the borders between these territories are open so that people can move freely between countries.

Support for open borders comes from across the political spectrum. On the political Right, free-market advocates sometimes lament that the production factor ‘labour’ is not completely free but that its mobility is constrained by international borders, thus introducing economic distortions and inefficiencies. More in the political Centre, liberal thinkers are rejecting birth-privileges and suggest that open borders would enable people born in countries with unfavourable conditions to level the playing field with those born in rich, secure, and democratically-governed countries.

‘No borders’ is a much more radical idea. The ‘no borders!’ call advocates for a fundamentally different world in which borders themselves no longer exist. This call challenges the prevailing territorial organisation of the global population into nation states and the practices of racialisation and colonialisation that divide people along the lines of citizenship and status.

Although open borders and no borders positions seem incompatible from a theoretical perspective, the Left’s political practices often combine both positions. While a radically transformed way of life and politics may be the ultimate aim, it is also important to act progressively in the context of the existing political circumstances, in which territorial states are a fact. The Left case for open borders is thus a pragmatic step towards global social justice.

Harald Bauder@ Political Critique.org
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Eloquently explained.
 
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