Removing an outside toilet pan

[danlightbulb]

Hi.

I am going to removing an outside toilet. The water supply and cistern is fine, but it's the pan that I want to ask about.

It's sitting on a concrete pedestal, no obvious screws so it's probably mortared in.

The outlet is a S trap at the rear which goes down vertically into the soil pipe within the floor itself. I can't see any gap or sign of any rubber push connection, so may also be cemented in.

What's the best way to get this out without risking damaging the soil pipe? The soil pipe is a live line from the main house so it needs to be bunged once complete and I don't want to drop anything down there.

If a photo would help I can post one.

 

[Wayners]

Pan set on sand and cement.
Sit on floor and push with your feet.
Sometimes it will break away.

As for where it's connected that depends.
Can be hard brittle contention.
Just a case of chipping at it as can hold pan firm.

 

[danlightbulb]

Pictures attached.

There's some kind of pedestal at the soil pipe connection too.

 

[Wayners]

Chip around the waste pipe and pan.
Sit on floor and use your legs and see if it moves

 

[danlightbulb]

Chip around the waste pipe and pan.
Sit on floor and use your legs and see if it moves

Do you mean chip at the base pedestal or the toilet pan itself?

My main worry is damaging the foul drain and then I can't block it off. It's a live line downstream of the house soil pipe.

 

[Madrab]

Cut it - Angle grinder with a stone/tile cutting diamond blade. Start at the soil pipe connection, at the top of the S band - cut a line around that, tape it up with duct tape to stop bits dropping in and possibly blocking the drain and then tap with a hammer on the pan side to crack it. Then lift the pan away. Then worry about the stub that's left, block the pipe with something that can be removed, or tape the rest and then cut what's left flush with the top.

 

[denso13]

Just break out the pan, as carefully as possible, but it will have to come out one way or another (so don't be too careful). You can then break away what is round the drain and go from there.

 

[danlightbulb]

I've started chipping at the base pedestal and the pan is quite well embedded within it.

Will a multi tool blade cut the s trap?

 

[danlightbulb]

SDS drill is making good work of the pedestal.

Pan is still solid though.

Should I break the s trap with a hammer?

 

[danlightbulb]

It's out. The s trap is still solid in the hole.

 

[ree]

OP,
Dont use a multi-tool. Do you have an angle grinder?
The actual S-trap connector is converting a P-trap pan into an S-trap pan - its presumably somehow worked, & flushes the pan?
Anyhow, leave the S-trap connector alone - & smash the pan from the rim down.
As you work down remove any large shards from inside the pan - given the height of the trap S-bend bend then nothing should enter the soil pipe.
The S-trap is probably puttied into the P-trap outlet - but first do the above & then post a pic with the pan and its pedestal removed, & I'll suggest what to do next.

 

[danlightbulb]

OP,
Dont use a multi-tool. Do you have an angle grinder?
The actual S-trap connector is converting a P-trap pan into an S-trap pan - its presumably somehow worked, & flushes the pan?
Anyhow, leave the S-trap connector alone - & smash the pan from the rim down.
As you work down remove any large shards from inside the pan - given the height of the trap S-bend bend then nothing should enter the soil pipe.
The S-trap is probably puttied into the P-trap outlet - but first do the above & then post a pic with the pan and its pedestal removed, & I'll suggest what to do next.

Please see latest photo. S trap is part of the pan itself (now broken) and goes vertically down into a mortar pedestal.

 

[ree]

OP,
Oh, I now see where you are up to - well done so far.
Given your skill with your SDS drill why not begin to nibble away the "mortar" encasement around "the hole" - work from accessible sides.
The remaining S-trap should become loose enough to ease out.
When the S-trap is out then stuff the hole to catch any debris and carry on cleaning up the last remains to give yourself a level FFL.

FWIW: what do you intend to do next?

 

[denso13]

Please see latest photo. S trap is part of the pan itself (now broken) and goes vertically down into a mortar pedestal.

Just break off the white part if required, then attack the bit surrounding the drain with your drill. Then see what you are left with.

 

[danlightbulb]

Ok I'm here