Renewable Energy growth

[morqthana]

I do not know the speed of a wind turbine blade tip,

Up to 180mph it seems.

 

[Munroast]

Up to 180mph it seems.

the ones near me are a 90m blade and seem to regularly be spinning at 26rpm would give a tip speed of 275mph

interesting to compare with a chop saw or table saw where the tip speed will be about 100mph - those slow turning graceful wind turbines, the tip is 2 to 3 times faster , than a table saw blade

 

[aveatry]

People can't avoid dying.

But they can avoid being part of a dying minority ideology by not being swivel-eyed believers in the lies told to them by people who so do not have their interests at heart.

Aveatry could, for example, stop believing whatever lies he's been told about "taxpayer subsidies" to Ecotricity. He could stop believing the lies about JSO, and net zero, told to him in the pages of the various right-wing, libertarian-supporting newspapers who promote the interests of those who would squash him and his entire family into the dirt without a second's hesitation if it made them richer.

I don't read newspapers. Haven't been told anything. Dale Vince received UK tax payer money Fact. Dale Vince paid for people to sit and block traffic Fact

 

[morqthana]

I don't read newspapers. Haven't been told anything. Dale Vince received UK tax payer money Fact.

Well if you haven't been told anything, who told you he received UK taxpayer money?

Dale Vince paid for people to sit and block traffic Fact

If you haven't been told anything, who told you he did that?

But anyway - let's look at the facts.

Ecotricity, founded by Dale Vince, received government grants as part of the price cap consumer protection scheme(s), as did all energy companies. Ones like Scottish Power, EDF, British Gas, etc will have received vastly more than Ecotricity.

Do you object to the whole idea that the government should have tried to protect people from the worst effects of the energy crisis, or do you only object to Ecotricity customers benefiting from that?

When you read

More than 16.1 gigawatts of new renewable energy capacity spread across 323 projects was given permission to start building during the quarter, according to Financial Times analysis of government data published on Wednesday. The figure for capacity represents a 195 per cent rise on the same quarter last year.

did you know how many of those 323 projects were being paid for with taxpayers' cash, and how many are commercial ventures funded in the ways that businesses always fund investments?

What was your real reason for saying this in response to it?

That's great news - we can now see where all the extra eco levies on our fuel bills are going. Dale vince will be happy - he can start paying people to lay down in the road again to further line his pockets with tax payers cash. Its all great.

Do you have information showing that Ecotricity are going to get taxpayers' cash as part of these projects being given permission to start building? And if they are going to, do you have information showing that it is somehow not commensurate?

Do you have information that Dale Vince is taking some of the money to "further line his pockets"?

Do you object to the whole capitalist model of businesses making profits, and the people running and owning those businesses making money out of them, or is is just Ecotricity which you don't think should be doing that?

Ecotricity have a very small market share, what was your real reason for criticising them, and the man who founded them?

Did you know that he sold the business in 2022?

Dale Vince paid for people to sit and block traffic Fact

Are you able to show the fact(s) which prove that? If you can't, then given that nobody has told you that he did that then all we are left with is that you completely made it up and then falsely claimed it to be true, which isn't good, is it.

 

[morqthana]

the ones near me are a 90m blade and seem to regularly be spinning at 26rpm would give a tip speed of 275mph

Can't argue with the maths. I didn't go looking for rotor diameters and rpms, I just searched for tip speeds.

 

[aveatry]

Are you able to show the fact(s) which prove that? If you can't, then given that nobody has told you that he did that then all we are left with is that you completely made it up and then falsely claimed it to be true, which isn't good, is it.

Silly boy, he funded just stop oil to the tune of more than £300,000.
You are making yourself look silly.

 

[Munroast]

Can't argue with the maths. I didn't go looking for rotor diameters and rpms, I just searched for tip speeds.

i think they will all vary a bit with some I believe getting close to 400mph

i remember quite a few years ago sitting underneath a slow turning one thinking, pity I couldn't grab hold of the end and go for a whizz round - i made some back of the fag packet calculations and thought my 100+ mph was wrong - I wasn't - these things are very deceptive

 

[morqthana]

Silly boy, he funded just stop oil to the tune of more than £300,000.

He made donations to a legal campaign organisation with his own money.

In what kind of world do you think he should not be able to do that?

Hes also donated to political parties.

But can you explain how donating to JSO equates to paying people to sit and block traffic? That's the claim you made, and stated as a fact.

So where is the FACT which proves it?


Also, since you said that a 2025 decision on building renewable energy projects would allow him to pay people to do that again, how does that fit with the fact that he stopped donating to JSO in 2023 saying that he didn't think their protests were doing any good?

You are making yourself look silly.

No.

You'll find that it is not I making myself look silly here.

 

[aveatry]

He made donations to a legal campaign organisation with his own money.

So I was right then when I said he was funding protesters

But can you explain how donating to JSO equates to paying people to sit and block traffic? That's the claim you made, and stated as a fact.
So where is the FACT which proves it?

He states himself that he has defended the group's tactics, of blocking roads.

Its getting embarrassing for you now

 

[Munroast]

I do not see what point you are trying to prove here ?

as the great Scottish economist and philosopher Adam Smith observed hundred of years ago "we're a nation of shopkeepers" Why would a business man need to believe in what he is selling?

In the very same way the oil companies for many years have been fuelling conspiracy theories to cast doubt on climate change (even though it was their very own scientist that first made the undeniable link) they are simply trying to make money

Anyone selling anything anywhere will try to promote it (apart from gerald raffiner)

so the fact Dale Vince is promoting climate change means nothing, he is wanting to sell green energy - you need to listen to the overwhelming scientistic evidence instead

 

[morqthana]

I also object to the scottish government recent decision to site a massive off shore wind farm(Berwick Bank) when they know it will devastate the bird colonies of st abbs and bass rock - both significant colonies of world wide importance - Bass rock is the worlds largest colony of Gannets - and they feed a Berwick Bank during the breeding season - this wind farm could have been sited somewhere elese

With the large disclaimer that I've not read a lot about this....

Will it "devastate" them? The figures I saw were less than a thousand per year. I don't callously dismiss that number at all, but it must be put into perspective. How many bird deaths from other causes do we let go by with fewer objections?

Should you not object 200 times as strongly, and spend 200 times as much effort and time objecting, to the number of seabirds killed by fishing in European waters?

Plus doing nothing about climate change is not an option. Puffins, for example, face an existential threat because rising sea temperatures are depriving them of the food they need. A child born today could see Emperor penguins go extinct in his lifetime because of climate change in Antarctica. Polar bears ditto in the Arctic.

You say it could have been sited somewhere else, and I'm sure it "could", but that needs quantifying wrt the negatives.

I would genuinely be surprised if SSE and the politicians gratuitously decided on the Berwick Bank location if better ones were equally feasible.

That's not to say that all that matters is feasibility, and that we shouldn't be prepared to pay more and/or wait longer for projects because concerns of environmental impact are given weight. But unless we nationalise electricity generation, these projects will be done by commercial companies, and the directors have a legal duty to act in the best interest of their shareholders, so cannot pursue an "at any cost" strategy.

And to some extent, but for politicians a much greater extent, they have to be wary of people like aveatry who would be even more vociferous in complaining about more pocket lining by directors and shareholders if projects cost more.

 

[morqthana]

So I was right then when I said he was funding protesters

No, you said "he can start paying people to lay down in the road again", and "Dale Vince paid for people to sit and block traffic Fact".

So are you claiming that the people protesting like that are having their pockets lined with his money, or that JSO use their funds for things like paying for transport to get protesters to places, paying for equipment, providing them with food, possibly accommodation, paying salaries for full-time people running the organisation, etc?

Do you expect charities to be run entirely by unpaid volunteers, even at full-time senior levels? Or do you have double standards in that it's not OK for some organisations to be run by people who get paid if you don't agree with what they do?

He states himself that he has defended the group's tactics, of blocking roads.

Yes, he has. How does that prove that he paid people to lay down in the road?

Its getting embarrassing for you now

Why is that?

Am I the one repeatedly making false claims which I won't even try to justify, or is that someone else?

 

[aveatry]

No, you said "he can start paying people to lay down in the road again", and "Dale Vince paid for people to sit and block traffic Fact".

So are you claiming that the people protesting like that are having their pockets lined with his money, or that JSO use their funds for things like paying for transport to get protesters to places, paying for equipment, providing them with food, possibly accommodation, paying salaries for full-time people running the organisation, etc?

Do you expect charities to be run entirely by unpaid volunteers, even at full-time senior levels? Or do you have double standards in that it's not OK for some organisations to be run by people who get paid if you don't agree with what they do?
Yes, he has. How does that prove that he paid people to lay down in the road?
Why is that?
Am I the one repeatedly making false claims which I won't even try to justify, or is that someone else?

He funded them to allow them to block traffic. He knew that what they were doing - with his payments he enabled them to do it. You sound like one of them. -Is That what this is all about were you one of the morons sitting in the road.
You fist said I made it all up so now you have googled it to find out I was right.
It even looks like he was behind the whole thing to me- he funded them since they started and when he stopped giving them money they disbanded.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Am I the one repeatedly making false claims ?

I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[morqthana]

It doesn't matter how many times you say it - donating to a group which organises protests is NOT paying the protestors to carry out their acts.

And repeating that obvious fallacy makes you look ridiculous.

I mean - would you likewise claim that Tory party donors were paying people to block roads?

It even looks like he was behind the whole thing to me

Then you're not very good at looking, are you.

Yes, he funded them and supported them in other ways from the start, but where's your proof that he was behind the whole thing, i.e. was one of the people who started the organisation? Is this more-stuff-wot-aveatry-has-just-made-up?

when he stopped giving them money they disbanded.

About 2 years after. And he wasn't their main source of income.