Renewable Energy growth

[aveatry]

It doesn't matter how many times you say it - donating to a group which organises protests is NOT paying the protestors to carry out their acts.

And repeating that obvious fallacy makes you look ridiculous.

I mean - would you likewise claim that Tory party donors were paying people to block roads?




Then you're not very good at looking, are you.

Yes, he funded them and supported them in other ways from the start, but where's your proof that he was behind the whole thing, i.e. was one of the people who started the organisation? Is this more-stuff-wot-aveatry-has-just-made-up?



About 2 years after. And he wasn't their main source of income.

You didn’t know he funded them - you said I made it up - then you googled it and found out - just like the rest of your nonsense. You do you love and defend him so mush - are you his dad.

 

[morqthana]

You didn’t know he funded them - you said I made it up

What I said you made up was that he PAID people to block the roads. His funding of JSO was never in dispute, but that is NOT the same as PAYING protesters to carry out their actions, and frankly it beggars belief that you are still trying to claim that it is.

If you really do think that donating to an organisation is paying people who work for or sympathise with them, why aren't you complaining that Tory party members and donors have also paid people to block roads?

- then you googled it and found out

What I've found out are actual verifiable facts. Something in very short supply in your fantasy world.

You do you love and defend him so mush - are you his dad.

It's not so much that I'm defending him, although I do think he has every right to use his money how he chooses, even if some of it comes from running a business which received government grants (something you seem to think he should not do), but more that I'm attacking the rubbish you've written here.

 

[aveatry]

What I said you made up was that he PAID people to block the roads. His funding of JSO was never in dispute, but that is NOT the same as PAYING protesters to carry out their actions, and frankly it beggars belief that you are still trying to claim that it is.

They block roads as their main weapon - they need money to do that - he gave them that money -knowing full well what they would do with that money - block roads- It beggars belief you dont see the clear connection he paid them to block roads.

 

[morqthana]

He funded the people who were organising the protests.

NOBODY WAS BEING PAID TO LIE DOWN IN THE ROAD.

And if you really don't see the difference, why aren't you complaining about Tory party donors paying people to block roads?

 

[aveatry]

He funded the people who were organising the protests.

NOBODY WAS BEING PAID TO LIE DOWN IN THE ROAD.

Hey have you been taking hair splitting lessons from denso

And if you really don't see the difference, why aren't you complaining about Tory party donors paying people to block roads?

That's what usually happens with lefty numpties who have lost an argument --- yeh but what about the Tories

 

[morqthana]

Hey have you been taking hair splitting lessons from denso

What you call "hair splitting" everybody else calls basic English and an understanding of what words mean.

That's what usually happens with lefty numpties who have lost an argument --- yeh but what about the Tories

I'm not a lefty numpty and I've not lost any argument, except maybe, and only, in the pigeon-world in your head.

And I'm not saying "what about the Tories" to counter criticism of left-wing stuff, I'm doing it to show your rank, outrageous hypocrisy.

 

[morqthana]

That's great news - we can now see where all the extra eco levies on our fuel bills are going. Dale vince will be happy - he can start paying people to lay down in the road again to further line his pockets with tax payers cash. Its all great.

Anyway - this has gone on for long enough too long.

You wrote a load of bigoted nonsense because you simply do not agree with renewable energy and you have a blind, unreasoning animosity to JSO and anybody who supports them.

You are either unwilling to use, or incapable of using, language properly.

You refuse to see that if you invent a categorisation of something somebody has done so that you can criticise them, then reason and logic says that you must apply the same criticism to others who are necessarily captured by the same categorisation of the same things they have done.

So I'm out - you cannot or will not do this properly.

But knock yourself out doing the pigeon thing if you want - there may still be a few people left here with capacity to laugh at you some more.

 

[Munroast]

Should you not object 200 times as strongly, and spend 200 times as much effort and time objecting, to the number of seabirds killed by fishing in European waters?

spent nearly my entire life doing what I can for birds, and St Abbs head and Bass Rock are something very very special
David Attenborough once commented that St Abbs is just as Special a wild life reserve as the Serengeti

And yes Danish boats taking vast amounts of white fish from our costal waters to feed pigs (for our cheap bacon) is an utter disaster for puffins and kittywakes, and razorbills and Guillemots and..... endless list really

but a huge wind farm on their prime hunting grounds will not stop the already massive decline - it will just make it worse

we live in one of the most wild life depleted countries on the planet

 

[morqthana]

Firstly, apologies if my post seemed critical of you, it wasn't meant to be.

This was what I was referring to https://www.usharbors.com/2024/09/in-graphic-detail-by-caught-birds/

I never buy Danish bacon, but that's because of animal welfare concerns- I didn't know there was another reason.

 

[ebee]

shares in 'conspiracy weekly' could be a worth while punt

Ditto to that one, they get dafter, flawed logic and a great misinterpretation of the facts seems to be in good supply.
The problem is that the one or two very rare times they come up with something that might need consideration then no one takes much notice because it was those folks who said it. they causes their very own "Cry Wolf Situation" and that does not help anybody, it only hinders.

 

[ebee]

A friend of mine - another of those conspiracy theorists people has a bad habit of ending sentences in his rambles with the word "fact" , I wonder if writing something like "Lah Dee Dah Dooh Dah Fact" after everything makes all of those Lah Dee Dah Dooh Dah`s of his then become actual facts for that reason? He seems to think so.
Why the overwhelming dire to write "fact" after every silly statement? In my own mind it always entices me to consider changing it to "Lie" or something.

Oh and thats a fact!

 

[ericmark]

Animals learn, and what we have a problem with is keeping up with their learning. I remember a problem with birds and fast jets, and the first thought was get rid of the birds, but it was found birds use to the fast jets would stay safely on the ground, remove them and new birds would come in, which would not stay on the ground. So better not getting rid of the birds who had learnt.
As to if they can learn about wind farms etc, remains to be worked out, migratory birds are most likely to be affected, but if all countries have wind farms but one, then the birds from the one without are likely in danger as they will not know the danger.

But I am not so worried about other animals, I am worried about the human animal, and how far a shard of ice can travel, and also what effect removing energy from wind, wave and tide will have on the environment be it good or bad, already we have found tidal lagoons can start to smell really bad as the material is not removed by the tide, so one tidal lagoon in France now only generates in one direction, but it may well be other factors come to play over time, and the problem is only temporary.

The main problem is knee-jerk reactions, where we try to introduce changes too quickly, mainly by governments taxing or giving grants, so some process is speeded up. If we move slowly, we can see the errors and correct in time, but moving fast, we can end up with another Diesel fiasco, where one minute it is the best thing since sliced bread, and the next we are told how bad they are, same with catalytic converters in our exhaust, rather than lean-burn engines.

Knee-jerk laws can stop essential development.

Just PV solar panels can have effects never considered, I have seen it with my own house, a 65 watt fat tube fluorescent fitting in my kitchen worked well, the tubes lasted around 5 to 10 years, it was a re-cycled fitting, but that did not matter.

Then the fat tubes could not be got, so had to fit thin ones, marked 58 watt, the ballast was not changed, and these did not last as long, around 2 to 3 years, might stretch to 5 years, then some local bungalows had solar panels, this resulted in the supply voltage being dropped, it was always around the 250 volt level, and it dropped to around 230 volts, this resulted in the fluorescent tube only lasting around 3 months.

So I was left with two options, one renew the ballast with an electronic one, two move to LED, I went for LED, but either way things should be supported for 7 years, but had I gone down the electronic ballast route, it was not supported for 7 years, and the whole story would have changed if in 1994 when we harmonised with Europe if the voltage has actually dropped.

And I would not think anyone thought that fitting solar panels in one home, would stop lights working in another.

I have moved since then, and volts here are on the high side, have seen it hit 250 volts, at the moment 244.9 volts, I am seeing more and more solar panels being fitted, and I suppose at some point the supply voltage will be adjusted, but this must be a headache for the suppliers, as the whole usage patten changes, with a massive winter demand due to less solar and heat pumps, and a negative demand in the summer.

I am one of those who only use off-peak supplies, but there is very little industry around me to use the power in the day, so it seems we need a new national grid, Britain's National Grid started on July 14, 1928 December 2008 last hamlet in wales connected to it.

So we should expect it to take quite a long time to up-grade it.

 

[aveatry]

Anyway - this has gone on for long enough too long.
You wrote a load of bigoted nonsense because you simply do not agree with renewable energy and you have a blind, unreasoning animosity to JSO and anybody who supports them.
You are either unwilling to use, or incapable of using, language properly.

Fess up you are one of those nutters who block ambulances aren’t you, the ones that prevent mothers taking their kids to hospital because in your righteous head you are saving the planet. You have been brain washed im afraid. Let me guess -covid, you also wore a mask whilst walking alone on the moors. Brainwashed fanatic.

 

[ebee]

Well those Mask thingys during the Covid Pandemic - Bloomin Heck.
First we were told they were not required cos they not much use, then told they were (well fair enough if they helped a little, a lot of littles can add up to a worthwhile).
Then people were wearing them yes when all alone for miles, and people were wearing them under the nose anyway.
And wearing the same one for weeks without washing it.
Then we now get some folk still wearing them to protect themselves but they are mainly to protect everybody else from the wearer.
The I saw people taking them down to do a sneeze (powerfully - got to be a massive sneeze radius by jingo).
Then we saw groups of 4 or 5 men meeting (with masks before the requirement) meeting similar groups of 4 or 5 men, each one of each group shaking hands with each one of the other group.
Then we saw people being to close to strangers but for a few seconds before 15 mins then moving close to another group for a bit less than 15 minutes.
We saw some people wash hands properly (or not) then picking up a commonly used bottle of hand sanitiser and everybody using that same bottle.
I can go on and on about it but you`ve got the point now I imagine, even many people who tried to get it right got things badly wrong.
So let he who is without sin cast the first mask (or stone!).

[FONT=arial][SIZE=4][COLOR=rgb(40, 50, 78)]aveatry[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] I do think you going on to morqthana a bit OTT there, he is actually speaking a lot of sense​

 

[morqthana]

The thing with the masks was that they were to protect others, so not covering ones nose, or taking it off to cough and sneeze, was pretty stupid.

But nowhere near as stupid as calling people who chose to use them brainwashed, or claiming that Covid was all a hoax, or thinking that it was the mark of a freedom fighter to refuse to wear one.