Replacing ceiling rose - where to move connectors to?

[thornmproblem]

I'll try to keep it simple - we have a light , it looks like it used to be a ceiling rose, and was replaced with spotlights and the loop-in connections are now all in choc blocks, which fitted inside the light fitting. There's only a small hole in the ceiling for the cables to come through like most ceiling roses, and appears to be a wooden batten there too (to fit the light onto). No access from above.

I'm replacing with a flush mounted LED light. I was going to replace the choc blocks with wago 221s, connect flex to the neutral and switched live and push those connectors up into the void. There's no room in the light for them. But was concerned they may need to be in an enclosure/junction box. But junction boxes I've seen are much too large to fit through the existing hole.

What is the best way to do this?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I'm replacing with a flush mounted LED light. I was going to replace the choc blocks with wago 221s, connect flex to the neutral and switched live and push those connectors up into the void. There's no room in the light for them. But was concerned they may need to be in an enclosure/junction box. But junction boxes I've seen are much too large to fit through the existing hole.

What is the best way to do this?

There is no way around it, they will have to be in a box and above the ceiling - the probably also need to be accessible, unless a suitable joint is made.

Will the LED fitting not be big enough to allow access?

 

[thornmproblem]

Thanks. Unfortunately the new LED is a circular 30cm flush mounted one, so needs no additional or bigger holes in the ceiling.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Thanks. Unfortunately the new LED is a circular 30cm flush mounted one, so needs no additional or bigger holes in the ceiling.

Sorted then - 30cms will easily hide the hole you need!

 

[thornmproblem]

True enough. To make a good job the hole would have to be permanently filled back in and the junction box would be inaccessible in future, fine as long as it's fitted as maintenance free. But still a bit of a messy job.
I'm wondering if it might be an option to fit something like this where the old ceiling rose used to be. To keep the new fitting flush (more or less) it could be sunk into the plasterboard and attached to the wooden batten. That way the connections don't have to be hidden in the ceiling void.

 

[Tigercubrider]

Is there space at the side for a circular dry lining box?

 

[thornmproblem]

I think there will be room it. Although I suspect will need to be cut very carefully to avoid the cables that will be just above where it needs to go.

 

[scousespark]

If you have Loop In / Loop Out / Switch Cable you could fit a Quickwire Switch and load JB.

 

[thornmproblem]

If you have Loop In / Loop Out / Switch Cable you could fit a Quickwire Switch and load JB.

Thanks - they're a great idea, but was doubtful there would be enough slack to fit it. If the switch cable went in the same end as the other 2 it would be much more useful.