Replacing fuse box with MCB-based consumer unit?

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I have a traditional fuse box with 3 circuits, presumably lighting, mains and cooker. When I bought the property, my surveyor recommended that it should be replaced with a more modern, MCB-based unit. Much of his report was later proven to be complete rubbish, so I'd welcome some independent opinions.

Is it necessary, or at least strongly advisable, to replace the consumer unit at all?

What is this likely to cost, from a qualified tradesman in the London area?

Is there any financial benefit to buying the unit from B&Q and paying for labour only, compared with having the electrician supply the parts?

This is not a job I intend to do myself; my electrical knowledge is fit for changing light bulbs and not a lot else. Any accredited tradesmen in the Wandsworth / Kingston area are welcome to make themselves known, before I resort to my Yellow Pages.

Thanks in advance for any advice and/or estimates.
 
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there is no regulation that says you MUST change it, but it would be a good idea.

as for getting it from a superstore, it will cost less, but get a split load one, but first get quotes to fit only first as some may not want to touch things from a super store. cant help with prices though
 
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My guess would be that if you stop Mr Sparky from making a markup when supplying the CU, he'll just add it onto his labour charges - he has a business to run and a livelihood to make, so why should he reduce the amount of food on his table so that you can buy something in B&Q?

Plus, do you know enough about the subject to choose an appropriate CU? e.g. do you have a TT system which will affect the RCD protection you need?

Do you know what MCBs you will need?

Do you know what questions to consider so that you have appropriate expansion room in the future or a sensible increase in the numbers of circuits today?

Do you know if your wiring is OK, or if some or all of it will need replacing? So will you need to buy cable as well? If so, what size and how much? Will you need any earth cable for main and/or supplementary bonding? Earth clamps?

What is your problem with having the electrician supply the stuff you need?
 
ban-all-sheds said:
What is your problem with having the electrician supply the stuff you need?

gets on soap box

I know that one, its cost, most people (no offence to anyone in particular) think that by getting something form place "a" is cheaper than place "b" but they do not take into consideration that one product is different from from the other , although they may look the same they are not. similar yes, same NO (I am also not refering to anything specific)

also as you mentioned the person doing the job still has to put food on the table, it "niggles me" that people do not realise that if you want quality you are going to have to pay for it.

in my "daytime job" i get and hear of people quibiling over a few pound (yes i know a penny saved is ...........)

I also know that there are cowboys who really will rip you off, and yes it is not easy finding the right person for the right job, but i go back to what i said

if you want quality you are going to have to pay for it.

and kindness goes a long way (cup of tea / coffee, i was at a friends friends helping them been there nearly 4 hours and when i asked for another coffee (had 3 ) if looks could kill, and i am saving them money by being there in the first place, sometimes i wish i didn't bother)
 
There is a fence to be sat on here and I'm parked right on it.

I take the points about the need for tradesmen to put food on table, that you get what you pay for and that though some products say the same thing on the packaging they are not the same.

But I am not comfortable with the automatic adding of a mark-up on materials (not saying you advocate this practice though).

I don't see why a good tradesman cannot present a quote that gives the customer a degree of confidence that the right quality of materials are being used and that the quality of his work justifies the rates.

I can understand why magick asks the question. Mark-ups are hidden and encourage poor quality tradesman to make a sustainable living.

Don't attack me, just help me to get down of this fence...
 
Thank you to those who replied. It does seem that I may have to specify what I want and pay what it costs (broadly what I was planning). As to why I ask at all, two words: sanity checking.

In some fields, the specialists buy in such quantity that they can and do undercut the high street shops, so I am not automatically assuming malpractice on the part of the electrician (although, I expect I would be paying for his time to go and fetch one, which could be avoided)

I don't know one side of a consumer unit from the other. I'm not likely to quibble over 20 quid either way, but I started with no idea whether it should cost 50 or 500 (and B&Q was no help, thank you to whoever mentioned ScrewFix).

However - the reason I ask, in short, is to gain some understanding of what I do want, before blithely trusting the first person who is available.
The first thing I don't completely understand is, other than to put food on the tables of surveyors and electricians, why do this at all?

The arguments I hear are convenience (not an issue), room for expansion (not an issue), prevention of idiot customer using a nail when he runs out of 5amp (not an issue), and faster disconnection in the event of a problem (which may be important). What are the safety implications of doing this at all, or better still: why shouldn't I just do nothing?

Moving on to the points raised by ban-all-sheds:

1) I know next to nothing, that's why I'm asking.

2) It has no RCD protection now, so any is a bonus.

3) There are 3 circuits, 5A, 15A and 30A so presumably the CU will be a direct replacement of the fuse box.

4) It's a one-bedroom maisonette - the only conceivable expansions would be to fit an electric shower (unlikely as I have gas), or to put electricity outside (I bought petrol-fired garden tools to avoid this). It's worth having room for maybe one spare circuit, but I can't see using it.

5) I don't know that the wiring is OK, and I suspect by the age of the property that it probably isn't. It is in good condition, and the earthing is correct (had that checked when fitting a water meter), but whether I want to blow £1,000 plus to conform to current wiring regulations is a moot point. I know I can't afford to rewire, desirable or not. My hope is that a more modern CU will be more adept at shutting itself off if a fault occurs.

6) I have no problem with having an electrician supply what I need, provided that I have some *idea* what I need and what I expect it to cost. The person who tries to sell me a 12-way split-load unit in a property like this is a cowboy, plain and simple.

My conclusions so far, on which I would welcome informed opinions:

It strikes me that the whole CU would benefit from an RCD - I would sooner lose the contents of my fridge than the whole kitchen. This being said, I don't see the merit in a split load unit.

There is almost no likelihood of fitting future circuits; there is no need of expansion, I do not use electric heating, and my lighting requirements are not going to exceed 5 amps. What haven't I thought of...?

I still remain unconvinced of the arguments for doing this at all, which was more the subject of my original question than how to go about it. If the primary 'safety' argument is of people using incorrect fuses, it's just not an issue. How much better does a new CU function at interrupting a faulty circuit than an old one?

Again thank you for the advice.... my last question about acquiring the CU was something of a throwaway thought and perhaps, not central to the question at hand.

The question at hand is, do I replace it at all - which, of necessity, depends on what it costs. I do not take safetly lightly, but I also believe that prevention is better than cure and, touch wood, I haven't done anything where a better CU would save me from harm.

The only motive is safety, it's not like I have any other cause to replace it - is it worthwhile???
 
Without really reading the above posts....

rewirable fuse type consumer units can still be used. Surveyors will usually comment on them because they are considered as dated and this may reflect on the rest of the electrical installation, as some-one said above is there an RCD present (or do you live in 1st floor flat etc).

You will be suprised how many people cannot replace fuse wire when blown and this may be there reason for upgrading to MCBs others will just feel safer knowing that there electrics have been upgraded. Put costs over safety, things happen, then hopefully it becomes mandatory to get electrics checked regularly, which in turn keeps me in work... :D

And....

Why cant sparks create a mark up on materials, they usually offer a guarantee / warranty and and IF called back there time is money.......do you ask the Tesco manager how much they bought the tin of beans for? Do I go to work to offer clients a cheap bargain? NO, I like money and want more...and this makes no spark a cowboy (yeha).
 

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