Send in the Marines!

[Lirefighter]

In America there are red states where over 50% of farm workers are immigrants….and since ICE has been around these people aren’t showing up to work.

Farms will start going bust because of it.

American workers won’t do those jobs

They are staying away because they are in the country illegally.
Hopefully they will all go back to their own country themselves or take the necessary steps to be in America legally.
That is the aim and rightly so.

 

[MNW67]

you mean like the democrats tried with trump for 4 years to stop him being re-elected ?

No.

 

[Lirefighter]

That doesn't matter. The bedrock of democracy is the Rule of Law.

They are following the law.
Undocumented immigrants can be deported without a trial.

 

[Lirefighter]

The bedrock of democracy is the Rule of Law.

Exactly that.

Trump's mistake is acting like a President with unlimited power, testing the rule of Law in the SC. Attempting to arrest a political opponent who's been critical of your policies is straying into dictatorship. Ironically, those MAGAs who voted for him wanted less Federal interference in their lives - they may cheer him on in this attempt to deport illegal immigrants but a man like him doesn't stop there.

The Democrats were warned that their use of lawfare might come back to bite them and they didn't listen.
They doubled down in their ignorance thinking they would always be in power.

 

[MNW67]

They are following the law.
Undocumented immigrants can be deported without a trial.

As long as they follow the correct process, that is fine. It depends what you mean by a trial. My first Google result:

President Donald Trump and top adviser Stephen Miller have suggested in recent days immigrants may not be entitled to “due process” in the courts before they’re deported—which clashes with decades of legal precedent granting due process protections to immigrants and comes as the Trump administration has often deported people without hearings or allegedly in violation of court orders.

All people in the U.S. regardless of their immigration status have due process rights, based on the U.S. Constitution and decades of court decisions. That applies whether they entered the U.S. legally or illegally.
For noncitizens, people’s due process protections vary based on their legal status or how long they’ve been in the U.S. Legal experts say despite due process variations, there are no exceptions to due process requirements for immigrants.

Fact check: Trump says immigrants in U.S. illegally have different due process standards

The U.S. Constitution, legal experts and decades of court decisions agree: Immigrants in the U.S., regardless of how they entered the U.S., legally or illegally, have due process rights.

www.wral.com

 

[MNW67]

The Democrats were warned that their use of lawfare might come back to bite them and they didn't listen.

Examples?

 

[denso13]

you mean like the democrats tried with trump for 4 years to stop him being re-elected ?

The orange rapist who has been outed by Musk as an Epstein follower? The didn't try hard enough.

 

[MNW67]

Shìt happens. Nothing is perfect. Some people in the U.K. spend years and years in jail before being freed because they were never guilty in the first place. Should we stop sending people to prison because of that?

That is one heck of a straw man!

 

[IT Minion]

Shìt happens. Nothing is perfect. Some people in the U.K. spend years and years in jail before being freed because they were never guilty in the first place. Should we stop sending people to prison because of that?

How many have been sent back in total and what percentage of them were sent back wrongly?

These aren't people who have been charged with a crime or convicted of one. That's the point.

Which also means no one knows how many were sent wrongly.

 

[IT Minion]

At least some of the people who were deported had a court order saying they must not be deported. ICE didn't care.

 

[Lirefighter]

Examples?

Sorry, not at the moment no.
It's mainly from podcasts and congressional hearings I've listened to over the years, but I really cba to search for specific examples to link on here.

 

[MNW67]

Sorry, not at the moment no.
It's mainly from podcasts and congressional hearings I've listened to over the years, but I really cba to search for specific examples to link on here.

I didn't even know what lawfare was. It sounded liked something to do with welfare! Like legal aid.

 

[Lirefighter]

That is one heck of a straw man!

No it isn't.
You must agree that people in this country have been wrongfully convicted and sent to prison.
A handful of cases doesn't mean that the entire judicial system in this country is not fit for purpose, just like a handful of cases in the US where people have been wrongfully deported does not mean that deportations are wrong.
Mottie said that there is always an exception.
Sĥit happens.

 

[MNW67]

No it isn't.
You must agree that people in this country have been wrongfully convicted and sent to prison.
A handful of cases doesn't mean that the entire judicial system in this country is not fit for purpose, just like a handful of cases in the US where people have been wrongfully deported does not mean that deportations are wrong.
Mottie said that there is always an exception.
Sĥit happens.

Nobody is convicted without due process. That is the difference. The verdict may be wrong, but the correct process has been followed. I have no problem with people being deported as long as due process is followed. Including the opportunity to tell a judge that they are a US citizen.

 

[gas112]

in the case of LA riots / looting /arson even if they are legally there round them up and send them back .
You dont riot in a country that has given you a new and better life