Rubbish.
People are not dying due to an extra few£££ (something like £30 pa) on their electricity bills but due to our poor housing stock. Even now we are still building new housing with pi55 poor insulation.
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People are not dying due to an extra few£££ (something like £30 pa) on their electricity bills but due to our poor housing stock. Even now we are still building new housing with pi55 poor insulation.
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A good deal more people are going to die if we don't stop using up fossil fuels. The government at the time made plans to make sure we met our international obligations to do this. People who object to PV should agree to be the first to have their electricity supply removed when the first cuts are necessary. £3 a year (from PV subsidy) is not going to be the thing which pushes an old person over the edge. There are much more significant problems with society causing elderly deaths, and that is the distribution of funding between NHS and local authority home care. Most of the £30 quoted is for the cleanup of nuclear power which was never factored in to the original cost of electricity.
On the bright side, as a result of, or in spite of, government policies, renewable sources produced more energy than coal in 2016. On Christmas Day 40% of the national supply came from renewable energy.
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On the bright side, as a result of, or in spite of, government policies, renewable sources produced more energy than coal in 2016. On Christmas Day 40% of the national supply came from renewable energy.
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Quite a lot of people die from the pollution caused by diesel engines.
Think how long it took to get leaded petrol outlawed (almost everywhere) even though it was widely known to damage the brains of babies and children. We have only recently been reaping the benefits, in reduced crime and violence, after twenty years.
The manufacturers of tetraethyl lead continue to sell it profitably into the few places where it has not been outlawed. I suppose asbestos manufacturers would still be selling it for insulation if we hadn't stopped them.
Think how long it took to get leaded petrol outlawed (almost everywhere) even though it was widely known to damage the brains of babies and children. We have only recently been reaping the benefits, in reduced crime and violence, after twenty years.
The manufacturers of tetraethyl lead continue to sell it profitably into the few places where it has not been outlawed. I suppose asbestos manufacturers would still be selling it for insulation if we hadn't stopped them.
Whether the reason people cannot afford to heat their homes is that fuel costs too much, or they need to use too much because of inefficiency, or a blend of the two, even if you are completely right about the poor quality of our housing stock, please explain how increasing the price of fuel will not make things worse.
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How much of that came from microgenerating solar panels on domestic housing roofs?
Please tell us, if you think that the 40% figure means that small scale PV actually makes sense.
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And people who insist that PV wind turbines are the only acceptable means to generate should be the first people to be switched off at night when there is no wind.
I totally support any means to reduce fossil fuel use but cannot support decisions that are based on emotions rather than logic and science
I've never met one of them. Have you?
Are you seriously talking about people opposed to hydro and pumped schemes, wave power, barrages and biofuels?
Or do you just mean people with reservations about nuclear plant?
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Yes several and one was a real green energy warrior....
At a meeting to dicuss a planning application for three large wind turbines she stood up and spoke very strongly in favour of green electricity and proved her commitment by saying she would pay more for electricity from a green supplier. When challenged with "" if there was no green sourced electricity would you then turn of all your electrical appliances "" she got all huffy """ there is always wind somewhere in the UK """ She was told that electricity generated by wind turbines in Scotland would not get this far south and that almost all electricity in this area was fossil or nuclear generated electricity and that without a separate "green" UK wide grid that would always be the case. The promotors of the wind turbine project agreed that was the case. She then sat down in a sullen sulk.
And what did she say about hydro, pumped, wave, barrage, biofuel?
Or did you forget to ask her and just made up the idea that she was opposed to them?
OOI, were the people disagreeing with her committed opponents of green energy?
Or people who have a nice view and think a windmill would spoil it?
Did they speak in favour of building a nuclear power plant in Berkshire instead?
Did they say they'd rather have some smoky chimneys and huge cooling towers spoiling their view?
Or are they just Berkshire NIMBYs?
Surely not, because that would be a decision based on emotion, rather than logic and science....
You'll be telling me next they prefer thatched cottages to concrete tower blocks.
Oh yes, I see now.
Or did you forget to ask her and just made up the idea that she was opposed to them?
OOI, were the people disagreeing with her committed opponents of green energy?
Or people who have a nice view and think a windmill would spoil it?
Did they speak in favour of building a nuclear power plant in Berkshire instead?
Did they say they'd rather have some smoky chimneys and huge cooling towers spoiling their view?
Or are they just Berkshire NIMBYs?
Surely not, because that would be a decision based on emotion, rather than logic and science....
You'll be telling me next they prefer thatched cottages to concrete tower blocks.
Oh yes, I see now.
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She probably would accept hydro ( but not switch off when the lake was dry ). She was against barrage, she has often mentioned the harm to natural habitat and the fact the tidal barrage at Rance has altered the speed of rotation of the earth. It is an insignificant amount.
The low frequency vibrations transmitted through the ground from the mast have been shown to affect sensitive wieigh equipment and do appear as background noise on seismic recorders.
Sometimes NIMBYs have valid reasons for objections to proposals.
No apparent problem with hydro, pumped, wave, biofuel, then.
So no need for you to cut her power line when the wind stops blowing
Seismic recorders are an important part of your village economy, are they?
Yes, it's obviously scientifically better that a power station should be built somewhere else, with its trucks and chimneys, than that a Berkshire village should have a windmill.
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No.
So no need for you to cut her power line when the wind stops blowing
Seismic recorders are an important part of your village economy, are they?
Yes, it's obviously scientifically better that a power station should be built somewhere else, with its trucks and chimneys, than that a Berkshire village should have a windmill.
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No.
Biofuel is environmentally dubious. Much damage is being done by the cultivation crops for fuel - for example in Brazil, Indonesia and Malaysia they are cutting down tropical rainforests to grow sugar cane, soy, palm oil etc.
But can anybody explain why being unconvinced that small-scale PV installations on house roofs make sense in a country at our latitude and with our weather, and why being opposed to the madness of FITs, means also being opposed to all forms of renewable energy, because the link escapes me.
Also, does anybody know how much of the electricity used on Christmas Day came from solar panels on peoples roofs?
But can anybody explain why being unconvinced that small-scale PV installations on house roofs make sense in a country at our latitude and with our weather, and why being opposed to the madness of FITs, means also being opposed to all forms of renewable energy, because the link escapes me.
Also, does anybody know how much of the electricity used on Christmas Day came from solar panels on peoples roofs?
That is because most of the coal power stations have been decommissioned and the few that are left are seldom used. Most electricity generation is from burning gas.
While wind, solar and other renewable sources are useful, they cannot be used on their own as they are highly variable, unpredictable and at certain times contribute nothing at all.
Renewables are more expensive that they need be because of huge "rents" paid to land owners (you may very well think this is one of the primary objectives, but I couldn't possibly comment).
Offshore wind farms do not escape because the Crown receives extortionate amounts because She owns the seabed - no, don't laugh; it's true.
Waived (pun intended) in the national interest? - of course not - you can afford it.
Offshore wind farms do not escape because the Crown receives extortionate amounts because She owns the seabed - no, don't laugh; it's true.
Waived (pun intended) in the national interest? - of course not - you can afford it.
Indeed - at 14:40 this afternoon, 52.6% was from gas and only 18.8% from coal ....
... at 16.4%, nuclear was similar to coal, whilst wind, hydro and 'other' totalled about 9%. UK imports and exports were fairly negligible, other than for about 2% coming from the Netherlands and about 1% of our generation being exported to France.
Kind Regards, John
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