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If you want to play numbers, I have to tell you that you will lose. Massively.
Quit while you're behind!
And Nosey BS.
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Not a competition, just pointing out your failure with facts, more to comeIf you want to play numbers, I have to tell you that you will lose. Massively.
Quit while you're behind!
I'm not saying poverty isn't a contributing factor in some cases, but the major increase in shoplifting coincides with the decision by police to not respond where the value of stolen goods is less than £200
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Hmmm, police cutbacks anybody ?
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I asked about police cutbacks, cant see any refernce to it in there.
I believe it was the Tories?
to the reduction in police numbers of about 20,000 between 2010 and 2019, after government funding was cut by 20%.
Your link, 2014, I believe
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Where does that say the police shouldn't respond if less than £200?
Plod is being asked to deal with to much ?
Targets
New rules
Wokes
Mental health issues
Foreigners
Gender fruit cakes
Etc etc
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And there are too few of them.
Massive cutbacks, saved some money at the time, but has cost us all more because of it.
Some will point out some police have been recruited, but fail to recognise that we lost some very experienced people and replaced them with inexperienced beginners.
False economy. But there again, I support law and order, and am happy paying for it.
The HO downgraded 'low value' shoplifting to a summary only offence that can be dealt with by post. Police forces have taken it a step further.
What are the current punishments for shoplifting in the UK? - Yahoo News UK
The UK's policing minister has called for a 'zero tolerance' approach to shoplifting offences.
Police chiefs have been accused of effectively decriminalising thefts of items worth less than £200
The UK's policing minister has called for a "zero tolerance" approach to shoplifting offences.Police chiefs have been accused of effectively decriminalising thefts of items worth less than £200 since law changes allowed them to be handled by post with just a fine.
However, Chris Philp has told The Telegraph that forces must investigate every shoplifting offence where there is CCTV evidence, including those of lower value.
He said: “The law says that this is still a criminal offence and police should be enforcing it comprehensively.
“Shoplifting affects businesses up and down the country, large and small alike, and often entails violence or threats to retail workers. It should not be tolerated at any level. I expect a zero-tolerance approach to this criminality.”
Figures show that the police fail to attend more than two thirds of serious retail crimes, even though shoplifting costs businesses almost £1 billion a year.
What happens if you get caught shoplifting on camera in the UK?
Shoplifting refers to taking goods from a shop without paying for them first. If caught shoplifting, a person will either will be charged with theft under section 1 of the Theft Act 1986; or, if the goods stolen are worth less than £200, for low-value shoplifting under section 176 of the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act. However, Philp believes if there is video evidence that every thief should be charged, regardless of the value of items taken.Why are shoplifters not being prosecuted?
The change stems from the requirement in the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 for any shoplifting offence less than £200 to be treated as a summary offence, which should be handled through a penalty notice fine of just £70 without the thief having to turn up at magistrates.Former Scotland Yard detective said that the downgrade had been a green light to police to abandon prosecutions and investigations into such thefts, which could tie up an officer for six to eight hours when they could be tackling more serious crime.
He said in 2021: “The Government has effectively decriminalised shoplifting. Provided a thief stays below the £200 threshold, they are not going to be arrested. Police won’t be called and the worst they get is a fixed penalty of £70 and they are still in profit with £130.”
Philp's intervention comes after Tesco chief executive Ken Murphy said that every store worker would be offered a body camera following an increase in violent attacks on them.
Chairman of Gail’s Bakery, Luke Johnson, has demanded that shoplifting be treated as a “proper crime”, and John Lewis has taken to offering free coffees to passing officers.
“Just having a police car parked outside can make people think twice about shoplifting from our branches,” the head of security for the John Lewis Partnership has said.
What is the punishment for shoplifting?
Currently, shoplifting does not automatically lead to time in prison. If the goods are worth less than £200, the maximum sentence is six months in prison, but this type of offence is usually dealt with by issuing a postal fine. Anything over £200 could lead to a maximum sentence of seven years in prison.- Joined
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It also says....The HO downgraded 'low value' shoplifting to a summary only offence that can be dealt with by post. Police forces have taken it a step further.
What are the current punishments for shoplifting in the UK? - Yahoo News UK
The UK's policing minister has called for a 'zero tolerance' approach to shoplifting offences.uk.news.yahoo.com
Police chiefs have been accused of effectively decriminalising thefts of items worth less than £200
The UK's policing minister has called for a "zero tolerance" approach to shoplifting offences.
Police chiefs have been accused of effectively decriminalising thefts of items worth less than £200 since law changes allowed them to be handled by post with just a fine.
However, Chris Philp has told The Telegraph that forces must investigate every shoplifting offence where there is CCTV evidence, including those of lower value.
He said: “The law says that this is still a criminal offence and police should be enforcing it comprehensively.
“Shoplifting affects businesses up and down the country, large and small alike, and often entails violence or threats to retail workers. It should not be tolerated at any level. I expect a zero-tolerance approach to this criminality.”
Figures show that the police fail to attend more than two thirds of serious retail crimes, even though shoplifting costs businesses almost £1 billion a year.
What happens if you get caught shoplifting on camera in the UK?
Shoplifting refers to taking goods from a shop without paying for them first. If caught shoplifting, a person will either will be charged with theft under section 1 of the Theft Act 1986; or, if the goods stolen are worth less than £200, for low-value shoplifting under section 176 of the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act. However, Philp believes if there is video evidence that every thief should be charged, regardless of the value of items taken.
Why are shoplifters not being prosecuted?
The change stems from the requirement in the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 for any shoplifting offence less than £200 to be treated as a summary offence, which should be handled through a penalty notice fine of just £70 without the thief having to turn up at magistrates.
Former Scotland Yard detective said that the downgrade had been a green light to police to abandon prosecutions and investigations into such thefts, which could tie up an officer for six to eight hours when they could be tackling more serious crime.
He said in 2021: “The Government has effectively decriminalised shoplifting. Provided a thief stays below the £200 threshold, they are not going to be arrested. Police won’t be called and the worst they get is a fixed penalty of £70 and they are still in profit with £130.”
Philp's intervention comes after Tesco chief executive Ken Murphy said that every store worker would be offered a body camera following an increase in violent attacks on them.
Chairman of Gail’s Bakery, Luke Johnson, has demanded that shoplifting be treated as a “proper crime”, and John Lewis has taken to offering free coffees to passing officers.
“Just having a police car parked outside can make people think twice about shoplifting from our branches,” the head of security for the John Lewis Partnership has said.
What is the punishment for shoplifting?
Currently, shoplifting does not automatically lead to time in prison. If the goods are worth less than £200, the maximum sentence is six months in prison, but this type of offence is usually dealt with by issuing a postal fine. Anything over £200 could lead to a maximum sentence of seven years in prison.
These changes will ensure that the police and other responsible bodies retain the ability to investigate and pursue individuals suspected of stealing goods, of any value, fromshops.
But you've also gone quiet on the cutbacks. They seemed to tie in with this legislation. Is that why it was necessary ?
What’s the difference between radicalisation and grooming?
There’s the philosophical argument between nature and nurture.
But I just can’t see in my mind how somebody can be groomed to the point they can commit such evil acts.
I can see Shamima Begum being groomed to go to Syria, but knifing little girls, can’t get my head around that
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