Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Notch7]

The near total foreign control of our Government by Israel

Are you a Jeremy Corbyn supporter

 

[fillyboy]

Is this Himmy the full ticket?

Err, no mate.

 

[Lirefighter]

Yes the rules are very clear:

1) A British boat can’t enter French territorial water, pick up migrants and drop them off at a French port.
Why? A = because they need permission from the French authorities.

If you think otherwise ask yourself why border agency or RNLI don’t do it


2) Push backs aren’t possible, aren’t legal where a boat is in distress, which most of them are.

If you think pushbacks are legal ask yourself why Priti Patel took it out of the Nationality and Borders bill.

This really is getting intolerable.
I cannot read any of your posts anymore without having Starmers voice narrating it to me.

 

[motorbiking]

Your whole argument rests on your interpretation of SOLAS, and describing asylum seekers as "not innocent".
Your interpretation is twisted by your ideology.

It's your interpretation of SOLAS and description of asylum seekers s "not innocent".

It would be good if you attempted to make your point once. Its enough to reply.

It has nothing to do with SOLAS, Its UNCLOS - specifically Article 19 paragraph 2, clause (g). It defines a vessel full of smuggled people as "not innocent".

Tracking and intercepting are two different activities.

it will take 2 hours or more for the illegals boat to reach UK waters, the interceptors have time to finish their dinner, watch top gear and still arrive on time.

Easily done if the interceptors are not in the vicinity.

70ft home made rubber boat with a fake 15hp motor, has no ability to resist being turned around, it can barely fight the tide.

By the time the interceptors arrive, the boats are in UK waters.

nonsense - top speed of a 70ft rip with sh*t outboard loaded with 50 or more people will be about 5-6kts. Top speed of a military grade fast attack boat with 900hp, 60-70kts

The figures are not yet available.

They are published weekly - 13-may, 12,699

Yes the rules are very clear:

1) A British boat can’t enter French territorial water, pick up migrants and drop them off at a French port.
Why? A = because they need permission from the French authorities.

Unless they are the nearest vessel and the boat is in distress SOLAS reg 33.

If you think otherwise ask yourself why border agency or RNLI don’t do it

because they pick them up once they have arrived in UK waters and they don't want possibly armed criminals attacking them.

2) Push backs aren’t possible, aren’t legal where a boat is in distress, which most of them are.

Pushbacks are legal under Article 25 UNCLOS

If you think pushbacks are legal ask yourself why Priti Patel took it out of the Nationality and Borders bill.

because the Laws they went on to create produced an effective deterrent. Come here illegally, never get the right to stay, possibly end up in Africa.

 

[Highway Man]

It would be good if you attempted to make your point once. Its enough to reply.

It has nothing to do with SOLAS, Its UNCLOS - specifically Article 19 paragraph 2, clause (g). It specifically defines a vessel full of smuggled people as "not innocent".

it will take 2 hours or more for the illegals boat to reach UK waters, the interceptors have time to finish they dinner, watch top gear and still arrive on time.

70ft home made rubber boat with a fake 15hp motor, has no ability to resist being turned around.

nonsense - top speed of a 70ft rip with 10hp outboard loaded with 50 or more people will be about 6kts. Top speed of a military grade fast attack boat with 900hp, 60-70kts

They are published weekly - 13-may, 12,699

Unless they are the nearest vessel and the boat is in distress SOLAS reg 33.

because they pick them up once they have arrived in UK waters and they don't want possibly armed criminals attacking them.

Pushbacks are legal under Article 25 UNCLOS

because the Laws they went on to create produced an effective deterrent. Come here illegally, never get the right to stay, possibly end up in Africa.

How anyone can argue with MBK on this is just mind boggling.

 

[noseall]

How anyone can argue with MBK

Is there really any point arguing with habitual liars?

 

[motorbiking]

Is there really any point arguing with habitual liars?

How are you getting on arguing that the Dublin resettlement scheme was a benefit to the UK? its gone quiet again.

Nosenout hates Brexit and keeps listing the benefits.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

It would be good if you attempted to make your point once. Its enough to reply.

If you're going to repeat your same misinterpreted version, multiple times, I'm happy to correct you multiple times.

It has nothing to do with SOLAS, Its UNCLOS - specifically Article 19 paragraph 2, clause (g). It defines a vessel full of smuggled people as "not innocent".

You're conflating vessels full of smuggled people with a boat of asylum seekers.
if you can't differentiate between the two, you have no credible understanding of the issue.

it will take 2 hours or more for the illegals boat to reach UK waters, the interceptors have time to finish their dinner, watch top gear and still arrive on time.

If there's 10 boats of asylum seekers, and one border force vessel, with no capability of effecting a rescue, they may as well stay and binge watch several year of Coronation Street.

70ft home made rubber boat with a fake 15hp motor, has no ability to resist being turned around, it can barely fight the tide.

How do you think a typical Border Force cutter is going to force an overloaded dingy full of asylum seekers to turn back without causing loss of life?

nonsense - top speed of a 70ft rip with sh*t outboard loaded with 50 or more people will be about 5-6kts. Top speed of a military grade fast attack boat with 900hp, 60-70kts

If the Border Force had any military fast attack boats, which they don't.
And how will the military grade fast attack boat force the overladen dingy to turn round without causing loss of life?

They are published weekly - 13-may, 12,699

Annual or ytd figures are not yet published for a sensible comparison to be made.

Unless they are the nearest vessel and the boat is in distress SOLAS reg 33.

And they don't have sufficient facilities on board, and the casualties do not need urgent medical care, and the rescue craft would not prefer to return to their home port. It isn't a black and white decision.

because they pick them up once they have arrived in UK waters and they don't want possibly armed criminals attacking them.

Diane be daft. No asylum seeker is going to claim asylum while carrying arms.
Or are you conflating people smuggling with asylum seekers again?

Pushbacks are legal under Article 25 UNCLOS

According to mbk, the known misinterpreter of regulations.
The international community says:

Pushbacks, or the forcible return of migrants to the country they came from without allowing them an opportunity to apply for asylum, are generally considered illegal under international law.

because the Laws they went on to create produced an effective deterrent.

What laws were those?

Come here illegally, never get the right to stay, possibly end up in Africa.

And how many were sent? At what cost?

 

[Deleted member 323070]

How anyone can argue with MBK on this is just mind boggling.

I agree because he's worse than you or gas for going round and round in ever widening circles, repeating the same incorrect garbage over and over again.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

How are you getting on arguing that the Dublin resettlement scheme was a benefit to the UK? its gone quiet again.

Nosenout hates Brexit and keeps listing the benefits.

Who were these returnees to other countries that you mentioned?
The Albanians returned were nothing to do with the Dublin agreement. That was an agreement outside of any EU agreement.
Show the specifics of what you claimed and we can discuss your presentation of, so far, unsupported data.

 

[motorbiking]

How is your new user name coming on? Tommy Troll would be a good one, or perhaps JewhaterJim?

 

[motorbiking]

If you're going to repeat your same misinterpreted version, multiple times, I'm happy to correct you multiple times.

keep being wrong then.

You're conflating vessels full of smuggled people with a boat of asylum seekers.
if you can't differentiate between the two, you have no credible understanding of the issue.

They are not asylum seekers until they claim asylum. If they do so in French Territorial waters - no complaints from me

If there's 10 boats of asylum seekers, and one border force vessel, with no capability of effecting a rescue, they may as well stay and binge watch several year of Coronation Street.

You clearly know nothing of the tools they have. Radar, Drones and plenty of small craft. If you look at the video they were using adapted Jetskis. £10k a pop.

How do you think a typical Border Force cutter is going to force an overloaded dingy full of asylum seekers to turn back without causing loss of life?
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Nobody has suggested a borderforce cutter. There are plenty of suitable vessels. An Axopar 37 would easily do the job. £250k But I suspect they have plenty of options.

If the Border Force had any military fast attack boats, which they don't.
And how will the military grade fast attack boat force the overladen dingy to turn round without causing loss of life?

They were using jet skis. Marinaras do it daily in £5k boats.

Annual or ytd figures are not yet published for a sensible comparison to be made.

Nonsense - I've provided links.

And they don't have sufficient facilities on board, and the casualties do not need urgent medical care, and the rescue craft would not prefer to return to their home port. It isn't a black and white decision.

Article 25 allows any necessary means.

Diane be daft. No asylum seeker is going to claim asylum while carrying arms.
Or are you conflating people smuggling with asylum seekers again?

According to mbk, the known misinterpreter of regulations.
The international community says:



What laws were those?


And how many were sent? At what cost?

now you are hop skip and jumping around as you call it.

Who were these returnees to other countries that you mentioned?
The Albanians returned were nothing to do with the Dublin agreement. That was an agreement outside of any EU agreement.
Show the specifics of what you claimed and we can discuss your presentation of, so far, unsupported data.

The data has been posted - it was a terrible tool for the UK.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

How is your new user name coming on? Tommy Troll would be a good one, or perhaps JewhaterJim?

You can call me anything you like. It shows how easily you resort to personal insults because you've realised the fragility of your argument.
Is this forum full of people who feel the need to resort to insults when their arguments are exhausted?

 

[motorbiking]

Who were these returnees to other countries that you mentioned?
The Albanians returned were nothing to do with the Dublin agreement. That was an agreement outside of any EU agreement.
Show the specifics of what you claimed and we can discuss your presentation of, so far, unsupported data.

How many people do we grant asylum or protection to?

www.gov.uk

 

[motorbiking]

You can call me anything you like. It shows how easily you resort to personal insults because you've realised the fragility of your argument.
Is this forum full of people who feel the need to resort to insults when their arguments are exhausted?

stick to one user name and drop the racial and religious hatred and people might.., just might extend you the courtesy.