Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[motorbiking]

Did you mention a rule earlier that if another country asks you to rescue a boat in their waters, they automatically have to let you land the people from that boat on their territory?

It doesn’t make any difference who asked for your help.

They cannot stop you from disembarking rescued sea farers. I posted the clarification to SOLAS reg 33 earlier in the thread. The state also has obligations under UNCLOS article 98.

 

[MNW67]

It doesn’t make any difference who asked for your help.

They cannot stop you from disembarking rescued sea farers. I posted the clarification to SOLAS reg 33 earlier in the thread. The state also has obligations under UNCLOS article 98.

I've not been following in detail. But presumably that applies only if they are rescued in that other country's waters. Rather than being rescued in our own waters.

 

[motorbiking]

Once you are in a rescue situation, the priority is saving life. So if people have been in cold choppy water there is a chance they will have inhaled it. You need to get them medical attention asap.

That is basically it.

What you can not do is “take back” from your territorial waters, fit and healthy passengers, because that is not a rescue situation and UNCLOS article 19 and 25 would apply against you.

This is what Greece got done for. Bundling people on to boats and forcibly sending them to turkey

 

[MNW67]

Once you are in a rescue situation, the priority is saving life. So if people have been in cold choppy water there is a chance they will have inhaled it. You need to get them medical attention asap.

That is basically it.

What you can not do is “take back” from your territorial waters, fit and healthy passengers, because that is not a rescue situation and UNCLOS article 19 and 25 would apply against you.

This is what Greece got done for. Bundling people on to boats and forcibly sending them to turkey

So, just to save me reading the whole thread. If we rescue migrants in French waters, which bit of law says France has to accept them back.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

So, just to save me reading the whole thread. If we rescue migrants in French waters, which bit of law says France has to accept them back.

If a UK vessel rescues those in distress in French waters, the whole rescue will probably be coordinated by the French.
In which case they may be content for a UK vessel to land them in France. Strictly speaking, they can't refuse.
But if the French are coordinating a rescue and tell the UK vessels that their assistance is not required, and the UK vessel still rescues some refugees, the French may well refuse to accept them.
But the UK vessel would go to the nearest port only if there was a medical emergenccy that required it.

If the UK vessel has some rescued refugees who need urgent medical attention, and don't have the facilities on-board, the French would allow them to be landed if that was the best option.

There isn't a competition nor a conflict between the French SNSM (Societe Nationale de Sauvetage en Mer) and the UK RNLI
They frequently act together in rescues, and they both have the same goals, to provide a rescue service on the water.
The French SNSM is a voluntary service as is the RNLI and cannot be controlled by the government.

 

[MNW67]

If a UK vessel rescues those in distress in French waters, the whole rescue will probably be coordinated by the French.

What if it isn't co-ordinated by the French, and we pick them up anyway. Maybe the inflatable is extremely close to our waters when it gets into distress.

 

[motorbiking]

But if the French are coordinating a rescue and tell the UK vessels that their assistance is not required, and the UK vessel still rescues some refugees, the French may well refuse to accept them.

This bit is incorrect the rest was pretty close. They cannot refuse them.

https://wwwcdn.imo.org/localresources/en/OurWork/Facilitation/Documents/MSC.167%20(78).pdf

 

[motorbiking]

What if it isn't co-ordinated by the French, and we pick them up anyway. Maybe the inflatable is extremely close to our waters when it gets into distress.

Is it in French waters or international waters? It makes a difference.

 

[MNW67]

Is it in French waters or international waters? It makes a difference.

In the narrowest part of the Channel, where French and UK waters meet. Say the inflatable is literally a couple of metres outside our waters.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

What if it isn't co-ordinated by the French, and we pick them up anyway. Maybe the inflatable is extremely close to our waters when it gets into distress.

It would depend on the degree of urgency of the required medical attention required, in relation to the speed with which medical attention can be administered.
The captain of the rescue boat would make the decision.
If he was sufficently closer to the French port, he would liaise with the French and out of courtesy ask for permission, and advice.

If he was refused, he would have to use a UK port and sort out the problem later rather than waste time which would impact on the speed with which medical attention was administered.
It would become an argument up at diplomatic level.
Neither UK nor France would want the embarrasment of refusing to accept a rescued person needing urgent medical attention.

So the discussion is pointless.

 

[MNW67]

It would depend on the degree of urgency of the required medical attention required, in relation to the speed with which medical attention can be administered.
The captain of the rescue boat would make the decision.
If he was sufficently closer to the French port, he would liaise with the French and out of courtesy ask for permission, and advice.

If he was refused, he would have to use a UK port and sort out the problem later rather than waste time which would impact on the speed with which medical attention was administered.
It would become an argument up at diplomatic level.
Neither UK nor France would want the embarrasment of refusing to accept a rescued person needing urgent medical attention.

What if nobody needs medical attention. That seems to be a new factor just introduced.

 

[Highway Man]

What if nobody needs medical attention. That seems to be a new factor just introduced.

Listen to MBK on this subject, he knows his stuff, Tom tit will just be googling it as per usual and getting it wrong.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

In the narrowest part of the Channel, where French and UK waters meet. Say the inflatable is literally a couple of metres outside our waters.

Good God! what if it was inches outside UK waters?
What if it was half in and half out?

Neither the French nor the British would want the embarrassment of refusing medical attention to a rescued seafarer.

The status and the circumstance of how they came to be there is irrelevant. They would be treated with the utmost speed and care, whichever and however that was at the time and in the place they were when they were rescued.

The resuers are there for one reason, and one reason only : to save lives.
They're not interested in getting into a diplomatic nor legal argument in the activity for which they volunteer.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

What if nobody needs medical attention. That seems to be a new factor just introduced.

It's been a factor mentioned throughout this debate.
If those rescued need urgent medical care, they will be treated as expeditiously as posssible.
Where and how that is, is irelevant, the speed and quality of medical care is paramount.

 

[Highway Man]

It's been a factor mentioned throughout this debate.
If those rescued need urgent medical care, they will be treated as expeditioulsy as posssible.
Where and how that is, is irelevant, the speed and quality of medical care is paramount.

yes nearest port. Idiot