Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[motorbiking]

how can you prove the boat is not in distress?

Was there a distress call? Does the vessel require immediate assistance to avoid people drowning are people in the water? If so they must be rescued and can be taken back to France. If not, they can be forcibly refused entry to UK waters. You cannot both be in distress and require immediate assistance and on passage.

pushing back a small inflatable boat overloaded with people may well put that boat in distress.

No it wont. A jet ski either side of the bow will render the steering input of the outboard completely useless. The vessel will be more stable than it was before.

Neither Border force nor Royal Navy are willing to take the risk, Priti Patel tried it and they both said no.

There unions might have made a comment, but nothing stops a government issuing a tender to perform the service - prisons are privately run for example

this is where your pushback argument has always fallen apart and will always fall apart.

because it hasn't been done, makes it illegal - its a weak argument even by your standards.

 

[Notch7]

says they must accept them.

the number of times a small boat is in distress in French waters and an English vessel is close by is pretty rare.

So its a false argument as it is not the situation that exists

Article 18, 24 and 98, UNCLOS plus SOLAS reg 33. says they must accept them.

you havent quoted any text that states "must accept them"

 

[motorbiking]

the number of times a small boat is in distress in French waters and an English vessel is close by is pretty rare.

So its a false argument as it is not the situation that exists

Nonsense - they have assisted on many occasions. What is correct, is that the small boats typically refuse assistance while in French waters, because they know they will be taken back.

you havent quoted any text that states "must accept them"

They are compelled to assist and coordinate the rescue, but they have no power to direct them. what is it you don't understand?

 

[Notch7]

Was there a distress call? Does the vessel require immediate assistance to avoid people drowning are people in the water? If so they must be rescued and can be taken back to France. If not, they can be forcibly refused entry to UK waters. You cannot both be in distress and require immediate assistance and on passage.

and here we have poor Motorbiking floundering desperately

You havent answered this:


a small inflatable boat overloaded with people is likely to become in distress if pushed back

No it wont. A jet ski either side of the bow will render the steering input of the outboard completely useless. The vessel will be more stable than it was before.

where is this being done?

Border force cant do pushbacks in French waters without permission

if Border force render a boat unable to steer in English water it will stay there until it has to be rescued and taken to Englang

 

[motorbiking]

of course the French don't always follow these rules:

Moment French navy refuse to rescue 60 migrants in the Channel

French navy officers refused to rescue 60 distressed migrants on a cramped boat filled with water in its territory - and instead asked Border Force for help.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Notch7]

Nonsense - they have assisted on many occasions.

thats funny, the headlines stated "for the first time"

Border Force returns small boat Channel migrants to France for first time​

A Border Force vessel supported the rescue of 71 migrants in French waters on Wednesday and helped return them to France

Border Force returns Channel migrants to France for first time

A Border Force vessel supported the rescue of 71 migrants in French waters on Wednesday and helped return them to France

www.independent.co.uk

 

[motorbiking]

thats funny, the headlines stated "for the first time"

Border Force returns small boat Channel migrants to France for first time​

A Border Force vessel supported the rescue of 71 migrants in French waters on Wednesday and helped return them to France​

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Border Force returns Channel migrants to France for first time

A Border Force vessel supported the rescue of 71 migrants in French waters on Wednesday and helped return them to France

www.independent.co.uk

Border Force. You are aware there are other British flagged vessels in French waters?

 

[motorbiking]

and here we have poor Motorbiking floundering desperately

You havent answered this:


a small inflatable boat overloaded with people is likely to become in distress if pushed back



where is this being done?

Border force cant do pushbacks in French waters without permission

if Border force render a boat unable to steer in English water it will stay there until it has to be rescued and taken to Englang

They can prevent the boat entering UK waters.

You are trying your best to come up with a scenario where a small boat, cannot be turned back from entering UK waters, because its "likely" to be in distress, but at the same time suggest that it cannot be rescued in French waters for the same reason.

Does it magically change its status on the territorial limit?

It is either in distress or it isn't. The process of forcing it to turn around changes nothing.

 

[Notch7]

of course the French don't always follow these rules:

Moment French navy refuse to rescue 60 migrants in the Channel

French navy officers refused to rescue 60 distressed migrants on a cramped boat filled with water in its territory - and instead asked Border Force for help.

www.dailymail.co.uk

that right wing grifting article isnt telling the truth

During the exchange, one French official can be heard asking the UK Border Force: "Do you have a rib to clear the situation if possible?" The UK Border Force replied, noting the complications of sending a rescue boat into French waters. They suggested that the French forces launch their own boat first, offering to intervene if the situation worsened.

After the French navy followed the suggestion, the migrants were handed over to UK Border Force vessels 9 miles from the French coast, where they were then returned to Dover.

French Navy Refuses to Rescue Migrants, Hands Off to UK Border Force

French navy refused to help migrants on a sinking boat, instead contacting UK Border Force for rescue. The incident raises questions about international cooperation.

www.lawyer-monthly.com

 

[Notch7]

Border Force. You are aware there are other British flagged vessels in French waters?

oh so now we have dozens of random British vessels all lingering in French waters waiting to "rescue" migrants in small boats

 

[Notch7]

The process of forcing it to turn around changes nothing.

So a small inflatable vastly overloaded with people wont be put in distress by being intercepted and turned around

I think you find it will

 

[Notch7]

They can prevent the boat entering UK waters.

no they cant

they cant push back in French waters without permission

so they would have to wait until they are in British waters, at which point the people on the boat can claim they are in distress

 

[Highway Man]

no they cant

they cant push back in French waters without permission

so they would have to wait until they are in British waters, at which point the people on the boat can claim they are in distress

So they are playing our system then?

 

[Notch7]

Does it magically change its status on the territorial limit?

thats what you are claiming

you are claiming small boats are in distress when in French waters so an English vessel pick them up

and you are simultaneously claiming if they are in British waters they can be pushed back

 

[Notch7]

So they are playing our system then?

well they have a right to cross borders to claim asylum, so they are playing the system to achieve that (ignoring the fact the muppet Tory govt tried to make it illegal to claim asylum in UK)