Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[fillyboy]

Farage's company operates a "one man, one vote" system.

He's the one man

And he has the one vote.

As opposed to a 'one trade union one vote' system.

 

[motorbiking]

That's because it isn't a party composed of members, it's a company controlled by shareholders.

Farage's company operates a "one man, one vote" system.

He's the one man

And he has the one vote.

They may have started like that, but a focus on the Limited company is nothing more than FUD. I found Reform's 17 page rule book a lot easier to follow than Labour's 138 page one.

The Party exists as a Political Party registered with the UK Electoral Commission under the PPERA. The Party bears the Electoral Commission Registration Number PP7931. The registered name of the Party under the PPERA shall be Reform UK (hereinafter referred to as “the Party”)

They follow the same rules as all the other parties.

 

[Lirefighter]

Everything. The shortage and cost of housing, the problems with the NHS etc. etc. etc. Essentially, with these people, any problem you discuss facing the country, they always manage to turn it round to being caused by immigration. In my experience. I mean the die hard base, here.

They would be right though.
Adding a few million people to the population in less than a decade is going to cause a shortage of housing and put strain on the health service.
Couple that with the fact that most immigrants are low skilled, which causes wages to stagnate (or even fall in many sectors) and the rising house prices are even less affordable.
Calling people racist for noticing problems is a large part of why very little is ever done to address the problems.

 

[motorbiking]

by-election in Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse. Labour took top spot with 8,559 votes. The SNP placed second with 7,957 votes, with Reform UK closely taking third with 7,088 votes.

 

[Odds]

They would be right though.
Adding a few million people to the population in less than a decade is going to cause a shortage of housing and put strain on the health service.
Couple that with the fact that most immigrants are low skilled, which causes wages to stagnate (or even fall in many sectors) and the rising house prices are even less affordable.
Calling people racist for noticing problems is a large part of why very little is ever done to address the problems.

Calling them far-right because they endorse the statements of Tommy Robinson is why they end up going around in court circles.

If you lie down with curs you end up with lice.

 

[Odds]

Here's a fun game for a damp Friday morning...

...count how many times Farage is pwned by Ian Hislop.

 

[Notch7]

Couple that with the fact that most immigrants are low skilled, which causes wages to stagnate (or even fall in many sectors)

Do you support Unions that fight for better pay and conditions for British workers?

For example RMT Union fighting for train workers (not drivers), where the train operators make big profits whilst pushing for lower maintenance schedules and poor pay for British workers?

 

[Notch7]

Adding a few million people to the population in less than a decade is going to cause a shortage of housing and put strain on the health service.

Certainly population growth rate was too high in 2023 at 1.0%

But for the last decade average population growth rate was around 0.7% which is lower than the baby boom years of early 1960s where growth rate was over 0.8%


Whilst you are correct that high immigration causes strain on housing and NHS, it is wrong to talk about it as though was the only problem. In reality it is one factor of many.

And let’s not forget, there was a housing crisis and an NHS crisis a decade ago.


There was no housing crisis in the 1970s when 30% of houses were council owned.



The Reform party are only interested in tackling immigration, but that alone won’t solve housing crisis nor NHS….as there are other bigger factors (which Reform would only make worse)

Lirefighter, please take a broader view rather than just focusing on immigrants

 

[Lirefighter]

Certainly population growth rate was too high in 2023 at 1.0%

But for the last decade average population growth rate was around 0.7% which is lower than the baby boom years of early 1960s where growth rate was over 0.8%


Whilst you are correct that high immigration causes strain on housing and NHS, it is wrong to talk about it as though was the only problem. In reality it is one factor of many.

And let’s not forget, there was a housing crisis and an NHS crisis a decade ago.


There was no housing crisis in the 1970s when 30% of houses were council owned.



The Reform party are only interested in tackling immigration, but that alone won’t solve housing crisis nor NHS….as there are other bigger factors (which Reform would only make worse)

Lirefighter, please take a broader view rather than just focusing on immigrants

Population growth has been too high for the last 20years, ever since Blair opened the gates and welcomed everyone in.
The rise during the early 60s is a very poor comparison as all of those babies already had a house.

 

[JohnD]

They follow the same rules as all the other parties.

How was the leader of the party elected?

 

[MNW67]

Population growth has been too high for the last 20years, ever since Blair opened the gates and welcomed everyone in.

That is a sensible argument. But we have to understand why it was thought we needed the immigration. Many would argue that it was the long term consequences of moving to what became known as the Anglo Saxon economic model in the 1980s. We privatised, outsourced, offshored, destroyed unions, let house prices explode and created a hollowed out economy. We probably are richer as a whole, but we may have been happier being poorer and more at ease with ourselves. These are massive and complex questions. Blaming unhappiness on immigration is far too simplistic.

 

[motorbiking]

That is a sensible argument. But we have to understand why it was thought we needed the immigration. Many would argue that it was the long term consequences of moving to what became known as the Anglo Saxon economic model in the 1980s. We privatised, outsourced, offshored, destroyed unions, let house prices explode and created a hollowed out economy. We probably are richer as a whole, but we may have been happier being poorer and more at ease with ourselves. These are massive and complex questions. Blaming unhappiness on immigration is far too simplistic.

I don't think there was a plan, they simply didn't impose caps on the expansion of the EU.

People blame Cameron and Farage for Brexit, but it was Major and Brown who laid the foundations.

 

[motorbiking]

How was the leader of the party elected?

Fear not, he cannot lead a government without the confidence of parliament and if he resigns, Reform (assuming they are in government) cannot stay in power without support from the MPs.

 

[motorbiking]

Do you support Unions that fight for better pay and conditions for British workers?

Do they need better pay and conditions?

For example RMT Union fighting for train workers (not drivers), where the train operators make big profits whilst pushing for lower maintenance schedules and poor pay for British workers?

which operator do you have in mind?

 

[MNW67]

I don't think there was a plan, they simply didn't impose caps on the expansion of the EU.

They chose not to because the economy was overheating and we were running out of workers. That is well documented. Anyway, that first stage only added about 700,000 people according to the ONS figures discussed on here the other week.