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[Notch7]

They both make sweeping statements without supporting them with proof

You are still 100% wrong.

For the 100th time, I said likely, not more likely.

I didnt define likely.

Since the word I used was subjective, you cant define it and you cant say what I said was wrong.

You have assumed it meant 'more likely' -but your assumption is without foundation, its only in your brain

Guess what -your brain is wrong

 

[EFLImpudence]

What about the overseas voters? Edit: No matter, only 2640,000.
22% of over 60's

• 21% of the overall population of England and Wales was aged under 18 years, 29% was aged 18 to 39 years, 27% was aged 40 to 59 years, and 22% was aged 60 years and over
  https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...n-by-ethnicity/demographics/age-groups/latest

Although the figure would still be only just below 50% of Leave voters, at about 8,000,000​

So - I was right - even when you are counting a lot who were not retired yet.

Since Quitters are predominantly over retirement age,

I believe 65 is the retirement age for men.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You are still 100% wrong.

For the 100th time, I said likely, not more likely.

For the 100th time - LOOK AT WHAT THAT WORD MEANS.

I didnt define likely.

You can't.

It doesn't work that way. Do you really think you are Humpty Dumpty?

Since the word I used was subjective, you cant define it and you cant say what I said was wrong.

The word has a meaning. It is defined. GO AND LOOK IT UP.

And yes -we can say that you were wrong when, whatever you meant by it, you have to rely on it not meaning what it really does.

remainers are likely to be young people

Prove it with verifiable facts and data.

remainers are likely to be young people.

Prove it with verifiable facts and data.

remainers are likely to be young people

Prove it with verifiable facts and data.

remainers are likely to be young people

Prove it with verifiable facts and data.

Remainers are likely to be young people.

Prove it with verifiable facts and data.

remainers are likely to be young people.

Prove it with verifiable facts and data.

Remainers are likely to be young people

Prove it with verifiable facts and data.

 

[Mfatic]

So - I was right - even when you are counting a lot who were not retired yet.

There may be many over retirement age that are still working.
The criteria was "over retirement age"

I believe 65 is the retirement age for men.

So it is, and it is currently 60 for women.
As I do not have quick and easy access to the number of over 65's, and I do have quick and easy access to the number of over 60's, I used that data.
It still meets the criteria.
The retirement for some services is 55, for others it's even lower.

 

[festive]

Oh my god.. I was liking this place but some people not aimed at anyone in particular here lose grip on the debate and get distracted by non relevant detail ie the standard of protocol used to portray the opinion. I don't have enough time in my life to be consumed with that also... get some perspective people.

 

[EFLImpudence]

There may be many over retirement age that are still working.
The criteria was "over retirement age"

Ah, you're back to the old tactics. Make the thread ten times longer by introducing unsaid irrelevant points.
Whether they are still working or not is irrelevant.

Since Quitters are predominantly over retirement age,

I believe 65 is the retirement age for men.

I just said that.

So it is, and it is currently 60 for women.

Fair enough, but you included them and I was still right.

As I do not have quick and easy access to the number of over 65's,

Google is quite good.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how...e..69i57j0.10423j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

and I do have quick and easy access to the number of over 60's, I used that data.
It still meets the criteria.

The criteria which proves I was right, you mean?

The retirement for some services is 55, for others it's even lower.

Yes, that is what people generally mean by THE retirement age.

 

[Mfatic]

Ah, you're back to the old tactics. Make the thread ten times longer by introducing unsaid irrelevant points.
Whether they are still working or not is irrelevant.

OMG!
You said "not retired yet" which is very different to "over the retirement age". I qualified the confusion by restating JohnD's comment, i.e. "over retirement age", irrespective whether they are still working or not.
If you think that is adding in irrelevant points, you are mistaken, It was clarifying confusion. Confusion introduced by you.

I just said that.

Sorry yes, my mistake, I didn't edit the post correctly. I have now edited the post correctly to make the comment sensible and obvious.

Fair enough, but you included them and I was still right.

Well, you were right in principle, but not in accuracy. In accuracy, JohnD's original comment was only just off the mark, by about 500,000. About 3% incorrect.
I can't remember the percentage by what Notch was wrong, and I'm not interested (yet) in looking it up.
I did give Notch the benefit of any errors, and I adopted the age range of 18 - 40. Whereas Notch seemed to want to use the age range of 18 - 25.

Google is quite good.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how...e..69i57j0.10423j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I did say I'm not interested in doing the calculations. I didn't say I wasn't capable. But thanks for the offer.

The criteria which proves I was right, you mean?

Over 60's is a perfectly adequate criteria. You used over 65's. I used over 60's.
Notch preferred 18 - 25 ages. I used 18 - 40 ages.

Yes, that is what people generally mean by THE retirement age.

Which is not the criteria that JohnD initially used, he said over retirement age, he didn't use or adopt any specific retirement age.
In you taking issue with his comment, you are introducing some confusion and incorrect assumptions. Such as confusing "not retired yet" with "over retirement age", and suggesting JohnD said "THE retirement age", when he clearly did not.

 

[JohnD]

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[EFLImpudence]

Although the figure would still be only just below 50% of Leave voters, at about 8,000,000
So the criticism of JohnD was correct. But only just.

No more need be said.

Thank you for the edit confirming John is wrong.

 

[Notch7]

Prove it with verifiable facts and data

I dont have to.

If you read what I wrote more carefully you will notice the likely is not preceeded by a modifier

Remainers are likely to be young people.

Without the modifier it is not quantified. There were lots of young people that voted remain enough to say with certainty a remainer is likely to be a youngbperson.

Since what I wrote is not quantifiable, you cant make any comparison with data.

Why do you think the word likely is an adverb?

 

[Mfatic]

No more need be said.

Thank you for the edit confirming John is wrong.

No problem. As I said earlier, if I had a guess, I would have said something along the same lines as JohnD. I assume his comment was based on a guess also. His guess was out by about 3%. The big difference is that he seems to have accepted that, without trying to argue that he was right.
Notch has spent a lot of time talking nonsense about how subjective is the word "likely". If he had just gone quiet and accepted that he was wrong everyone would have forgotten about it by now.

If you feel the need to make so much of it, it must be terribly important to you.

I haven't looked at the demographic distribution of older people, and compared it with the percentage of older Leave voters, and then done a subsequent calculation.
But at a guess, it could well be true that Leavers are predominantly/likely to be older people. (over retirement age, I'm not so sure), simply because (conversely than with the young people) there are more older people than young, and the older people did vote (or were more likely to vote), and they were more likely to vote Leave.

You could have done the calculations without involving me. I did say that I was not interested in doing the calculations. Why did you need my confirmation?
My guess would have been correct and accurate, that Leavers are predominantly/ likely to be older people.

 

[transam]

At least one of them is a self-confessed ******** (whatever it was BAS said)

Missing word could be scum bag maybe ?

 

[Notch7]

If he had just gone quiet and accepted that he was wrong everyone would have forgotten about it by now

Unfortunately for you, I am not wrong.

You changed what I wrote to: remainers are more likely to be young people

Then went on to falsely attempt to say I was wrong.

how subjective is the word "likely".

Please do explain in quantitative terms what you understand by the word likely.

If you feel the need to make so much of it, it must be terribly important to you

Its not all important to me.

It is to you though..........hence why you cant leave it alone

 

[noseall]

Please do explain in quantitative terms what you understand by the word likely

The complete opposite of unlikely - i.e. probable.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

The usual loony left agenda...

The liberal elite had a triple shock when Brexit won, Trump won and Scotland voted to stay; and they've been trying to make excuses for it ever since!