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Tesla sales crash

Notch7 said:
quite a lot of help

Elon Musk's companies, including Tesla and SpaceX, have received a substantial amount of government funding, totaling an estimated $38 billion in contracts, loans, subsidies, and tax credits over the past two decades.
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were these exclusively available to Musk Inc or were these available to other Startup, investors in US jobs. I think we know the answer.

Brigadier said:
It's murky; I doubt that you would find anything bold and underlined, and clearly marked as "a subsidy" - save the $7.5k (plus $2.5k in California) - on any set of accounts.

Getting a contract at a guaranteed price - like the sort of thing that the UK pays for nuclear energy, as an example - might not be termed a subsidy, but it achieves much the same result.

Like I said, it is murky.
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It's not unusual for governments to give freebies, The tories introduced transparency in the UK. https://searchforuksubsidies.beis.gov.uk/standaloneawards?

several billion went to these firms for example:

Green Volt Offshore Windfarm Limited
Tata Steel UK Ltd
Nissan Motor Manufacturing (UK) Limited
 
motorbiking said:
It's not unusual for governments to give freebies,
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Whether it is unusual or not was not the point.

To throw out that BYD received government support as some sort of reasoning for why they're cheaper than Teslas, while implying that Tesla did not / does not similarly benefit, is disingenuous.
 
MNW67 said:
Thanks. Was it fixed with later engines?

Do they actually know why it happens? The only suggestion I have seen is that cylinder deactivation puts uneven loads on a crankshaft.
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Sorry, no idea. I just seemed to remember frequently reading about it on the Range Rover forums that I used to go on when I was a RR owner.
 
Brigadier said:
Whether it is unusual or not was not the point.

To throw out that BYD received government support as some sort of reasoning for why they're cheaper than Teslas, while implying that Tesla did not / does not similarly benefit, is disingenuous.
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so give the actual figure that tesla got in direct subsidies
 
Brigadier said:
Whether it is unusual or not was not the point.

To throw out that BYD received government support as some sort of reasoning for why they're cheaper than Teslas, while implying that Tesla did not / does not similarly benefit, is disingenuous.
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I don't think anyone is buying a BYD because its 3% cheaper than the better spec'd Tesla equivalent.
 
because its disingenuous to claim they received $38Bn in subsidies.
 
gas112 said:
So what bit of that are direct subsidies ?
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You implied that BYD were special in receiving subsidies, and that China were the exception in giving them.

They aren't, it is common practise, including Tesla's massive ones.
 
denso13 said:
You implied that BYD were special in receiving subsidies, and that China were the exception in giving them.

They aren't, it is common practise, including Tesla's massive ones.
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So what are tesla s massive ones you must be able to give me an actual figure
 
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