Texecom Premier Elite QD - EOL Query

[Geoff-88]

Hey all

Long time lurker, first time poster so please be nice I feel I'm entering the Lion's Den

I believe EOL is the much preferred method as it allows the panel to fully supervise each zone and makes for fault finding much easier. The last time I did an install was literally moons ago and opted for the the horrible 'Global Tamper' setup with a not so wonderful connector block (I know, I know).

I'm now back in the game and currently taking on an install of the Premier Elite 24 and am a little confused by the options provided with the instructions for the QD PIR.

As I understand it, these PIR's already have built in resistors so in essence I just need to set the jumpers correctly and terminate a total of 4 wires at each PIR with 2 of the 4 going into Z1, Z2 etc, etc at the panel with the other 2 going into AUX + & -. I will opt Blue for Alarm and Yellow for Tamp.

Is that correct?

What I don't quite get is there is a diagram displaying the layout of the physical resistors and their respective terminals in the PIR. Next to it on the right is another diagram displaying the jumper settings (JP3, JP4).

I'm confident with setting the jumpers up but why does it show how to wire it with actual resistors?

It's as if the instructions are telling you to set the jumpers and fit the resistors across the terminals aswell :/

Sorry if this sounds ultra picky but I thought the idea of the QD was to NOT have to physically wire the resistors in?

The panel comes with a pack of 4K7/2K2's and as the door contact I will be using has a built in resistor too, I'm actually now wondering where it is I will need these?

Does the Odyssey X-BE bell box and the RKP require the resistors or are they built in as well?

Also, whilst it's on my brain, the box that the panel came in states it's V4.01 and requires:

Ricochet Monitor V2.18.6 (or above)
Wintex V6.3.2 (or above)

Are these crucial to the setting up of the system?

There's a 'UK Edition' bar code scan type thingy on the box that apparently takes you to the firmware and software downloads for each. Do I need these?

Is this to do with the COMM cable I've seen a few posts about on here?

Sorry I know this probably comes across as very novice and I do acknowledge these systems aren't for the faint hearted but some generous advice would be massively appreciated.

Thanks.

 

[sparkymarka]

The resistors are built in ( you don't need them ) the bellbox and keypad don't need resistors , you only need wintex and ricochet monitor if your programming the panel by pc , you can use any colour you like for the alarm pair ....

 

[Geoff-88]

Hi

Thanks for the clarification. I was under the impression the bell box needed the resistors to fulfill EOL requirements?

How is the Odyssey X3 protected. Does it have it's own dedicated tamper circuit?

Also, I have a Texecom Impaq plus (AEB-001). Could you please tell me if this would be of benefit fitted to a double patio door to the rear (area covered by PIR anyway)?

I've never come across these before but they look quite nifty. My main concern is I only have Zone 8 spare now (6 PIRs and 1 door contact) and hear that the Impaq plus really needs wiring to 2 seperate zones.

I'd struggle to use the RKP to allow this as it's right at the other end and the cable runs would be a mare.

What are my options?

Have I no choice but to fit an expander?

Cheers.

 

[Handymanjo]

Bell box does not require EOL resistor on your system.(diy install)
It is only required for a grade 3 system which is a insurance requirement for this grade of system
The bell box has it's own independent tamper circuit
Is your shock sensor the shock only or does it have a magnetic contact ?
What cable have you used to wire the keypad?
If you have used 8 core then you can use the 2 programmable zones on the keypad. These will require mapping to a zone via programming.This will give you 10 zones
If not then you may require an expander.

 

[Geoff-88]

Hi Handymanjo.

The Impaq plus is shock only. Yep, 8 core to keypad. I could run some more cable to the shock sensor but it would obviously be a much longer run as the RKP is right at other side where panel is far closer. Also, the route would be a royal PITA.

Do I req 2 seperate zones for my shock sensor?

I have 1 spare in the panel.

 

[Handymanjo]

No
Use the spare zone take the shock sensor back to main control panel.
You still have 2 additional zones a on the keypad you could use and map them in the zone programming.
Each keypad had 2 zones and you can use these via mapping the zone so you may not require an expander

 

[Geoff-88]

Thanks for sticking with us btw, I really do appreciate it. How much more of a advantage does a shock with magnetic contact hold over a standard shock?

Will what I have suffice? Also, would you recommend it be mounted to the double patio door frame (this leads to an area protected by a PIR) OR in the kitchen side UPVC door that houses a panel at the bottom?

This area too is protected by a PIR.

The kitchen side door is by far the biggest run of the two but is not impossible. However, I'd need to make a decision before I finalise plastering & decor.

 

[secureiam]

Geoff, you can not ask someone to give advice at that level,

Will what I have suffice?

, there are very few systems out there that can not be improved in some way. Installers should advise on systems based on risk and the customers pocket.


No one has seen your property layout and are not aware of all the measures you have taken or whether the systems it installed correctly including the correct programming.

WRT to protection, a door contact, the door has to be open to activate, a shock sensor can be triggered by someone using force. The biggest advantage of a door contact is when you set the alarm you have an idea if the door is open or closed. See so many people with open doors and windows, particularly in this heat and they forget to shut/ lock them when they leave.

 

[Geoff-88]

Hi Secureiam

I get what your saying and I apologise if my expectation has miffed you.

After careful consideration, I will wire the shock sensor but for now, zone 8 (intended zone for it) has been programmed out.

I take it outside of all the other fixtures, the impaq plus does require resistors?

Also, should I invest in a COMM lead and Wintex to program the system?

I imagine doing it via the RKP is going to be rather fun

 

[secureiam]

impaq needs resistors fitting but you get a pack with the panel and a pack with with the hard wired keypads and expnaders.

its easier to view programming via wintex, but can be done via a keypad, if doing it via a keypad you may find it easier writing down, the settings for reference.

 

[Geoff-88]

Ok thanks for that. If I do decide to go the wintex route is this what is required?:


https://www.powersaver.co.uk/securi...r-panels-to-a-usb-port-on-a-pc-or-laptop.html

I have a Macbook Pro and the panel is reasonably situated so I could just do it all from there.

How do I go about getting my hands on Wintex and is it available to an end user such as myself?