Thatcher Dead

[ImayKnow]

Today is the first day of my life without Maggie. It's so sad

 

[ImayKnow]

Before she got in the likes of Red Robbo at British Leyland ran the companies. The workers produced carp. Allowing the foreign imports improved our own quality standards and helped get rid of our pre Maggie unproductive society.

and started the process which got UK production to where it is today, dead. No economic diversity like other countries, dependent on a top heavy banking sector and the US.

Not at all. If we were efficient and productive we would have been capable of selling the goods.

Some of us remember the rubbish that British industry churned out. Particularly the motor industry.

 

[securespark]

Today is the first day of my life without Maggie. It's so sad

Today is the first day of my life without Maggie. It's not sad

 

[Norcon]

Britian couldn't even build a decent excavator in the 1970's.
It took the japanese with their Hiatchi's to transform the excavator market.

You can't sell junk to the world. British engineers were still fumbling with chain drives and sprokets whilst the japanese had perfected the hydraulic operated planetary gearing direct drive system still used today.

Now the ole British machines are being dragged out of the hedges and sent to the far east for scrap.
Where they will be transformed and sent back as decent products.

You lefties are in denial. British industry was all but dead by 1970.
Maggie just buried it.

 

[sooey]

You don't half talk some sh*t norcon, is it because you're always ankle deep in it down on t' farm?
British industry was still right up there in 1970, we still had a manufacturing based economy then.
I remember that was about the time jap cars started coming in, datsuns mostly. Great engines but fell apart after a few years with rust.
Thatcher didn't come in until 79 by which time there were all kinds of union problems.
British industry was by no means dead, it just needed sorting out which generally involves compromise. Thatcher being a typical woman didn't know when to stop and compromise. The Germans did and look at them now, she killed what was left of ours and like you said, buried it.
Now we're burying her hip hip

 

[ajrtd]

You lefties are in denial. British industry was all but dead by 1970.
Maggie just buried it.

Bol locks! we didn't have the excavators.

 

[ImayKnow]

I say it again: what killed British industry was the carp we churned out and the non caring attitude of the union protected work force. Enter the Japs.

 

[JohnD]

Germany had, and still has, good industrial relations and partnership with unions.

Thatcher's Britain had bad industrial relations, and hatred of unions.

Which grew successfully and is a world-leader in industry?

 

[Norcon]

You don't half talk some sh*t norcon, is it because you're always ankle deep in it down on t' farm?
British industry was still right up there in 1970, we still had a manufacturing based economy then.
I remember that was about the time jap cars started coming in, datsuns mostly. Great engines but fell apart after a few years with rust.
Thatcher didn't come in until 79 by which time there were all kinds of union problems.
British industry was by no means dead, it just needed sorting out which generally involves compromise. Thatcher being a typical woman didn't know when to stop and compromise. The Germans did and look at them now, she killed what was left of ours and like you said, buried it.
Now we're burying her hip hip

British industry was churning out scrap. You can't sell that too the world.
Walk unto any building site today and all you will see is japanese and german machines.

 

[Norcon]

I say it again: what killed British industry was the carp we churned out and the non caring attitude of the union protected work force. Enter the Japs.

Quite right but the lefties will never accept it.

 

[JohnD]

Warring with the workers and their representatives is no way to build good industrial relations.

 

[Graeme1983]

You don't half talk some sh*t norcon, is it because you're always ankle deep in it down on t' farm?
British industry was still right up there in 1970, we still had a manufacturing based economy then.
I remember that was about the time jap cars started coming in, datsuns mostly. Great engines but fell apart after a few years with rust.
Thatcher didn't come in until 79 by which time there were all kinds of union problems.
British industry was by no means dead, it just needed sorting out which generally involves compromise. Thatcher being a typical woman didn't know when to stop and compromise. The Germans did and look at them now, she killed what was left of ours and like you said, buried it.
Now we're burying her hip hip

British industry was churning out scrap. You can't sell that too the world.
Walk unto any building site today and all you will see is japanese and german machines.

Not every product has to be a masterpiece of engineering. Some things are just meant to be cheap and do a job. You cant tell me that Lada's and Skodas or Citreon Saxo's and Renault Clios were or are any better then what Mini's and Metros were and would of been in modern incarnations. What about Dacia's? Truly awful cars.

The Germans are the beasts of Europe when it comes to industry and production but not everything they make is like a Tiger tank. Ive got lots of cheap German screwdrivers which round off after a few goes and become paint stirrers and pokers. A German wok which lost its teflon in a matter of weeks is now for catching oil in the garage and the French one is two years old and still looks new. A mid range priced German chainsaw which was awful and unreliable gets outlasted by an Italian one. Yet a German cheap electric chainsaw I bought years ago is still going strong.

Its about product lines, premium range and cheap do a job range. There is no reason the UK couldnt do it anymore then the French, Germans and Italians who now outproduce the UK in everything apart from dodgy paper pushing like banking or most east Europeans who still have industry as a major part of their economy so they are not reliant on just banking, services or agriculture.

 

[JBR]

Germany had, and still has, good industrial relations and partnership with unions.

Thatcher's Britain had bad industrial relations, and hatred of unions.

Which grew successfully and is a world-leader in industry?

You make it sound as if Maggie was the devil and the unions were as white as the driven snow. The union leaders were greedy and unwilling to compromise. Then they called out their members and, whilst they had to live on strike pay, the union leaders luxuriated in full (and very generous) pay.

Germany is successful because they all pull together.

Britain is in a mess because we all pull in different directions. This was before Maggie even came on the scene and is still the case today, despite the unions being much weaker than they were; it is just a national trait.

 

[JohnD]

You make it sound as if Maggie was the devil and the unions were as white as the driven snow.

No.

By misrepresenting my point you seek to avoid it.

I say that unions need not be an obstacle to good industrial relations. nor to modernisation, nor to growth; and I give an example of where unions have helped to achieve those benefits.

Do you deny the truth of what I say?

Do you claim that a mindset which sees workers and their representatives as "the enemy within" is conducive to good industrial relations?

 

[sooey]

Film director Ken Loach said this.

Margaret Thatcher was the most divisive and destructive Prime Minister of modern times."

“Mass Unemployment, factory closures, communities destroyed – this is her legacy. She was a fighter and her enemy was the British working class.

“Her victories were aided by the politically corrupt leaders of the Labour Party and of many Trades Unions. It is because of policies begun by her that we are in this mess today.

“Other prime ministers have followed her path, notably Tony Blair. She was the organ grinder, he was the monkey.

“Remember she called Mandela a terrorist and took tea with the torturer and murderer Pinochet.
How should we honour her? Let’s privatise her funeral. Put it out to competitive tender and accept the cheapest bid. It’s what she would have wanted.”

Well said, spot on and what a good idea at the end. it might even end up with some p*key carting her off to the crem in his tranny.