Thatcher Dead

[onecog]

Lighten up you lot.

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2013/04/10/danny-boyle-to-create-thatcher-closing-event/[/QUOTE]

 

[big-all]

excellent

 

[AronSearle]

Coal is back in fashion these days.

Germans are switching back to coal now after getting scared of nuclear power after Fukushima. Bit of long termism from Thatcher and the UK could of been supplying the new generation of coal fired plants the krauts are building. Instead the krauts will be getting inferior brown coal from here, Poland, themselves and Russia.

So what you are saying is the germans are getting their caol from low wage countries, and the strikes in the UK were over wage, and......

Sorry, not really following your argument here.

 

[Norcon]

Graeme1983 wrote

Would you believe Im a qualified English teacher certified by a London school working abroad?

You mut be a carp teacher when you stop reading a post when you see a spelling mistake on the first sentence.

I'd expect it was a typo though.
Truth hurts eh?

 

[Norcon]

When you take off the ridiculously tinted rose tinted specs you will find out that Arthur Scargill was bankrolled by Marxsist Russia who saw the trade unions as a great way to ruin our country. Of course the dewy eyed wanabee socialists in this country only saw Russia as a big cuddly bear and failed totally to see the true reason for the support.

'Some' mines were to be closed as the coal industry had been heavily subsidised for years. This was a problem that had to be addressed and measures were put in place to close some mines and mechanise and make more productive and cost effective others. Of course this would have meant job losses but only in the way these things happen when any business moves with the times.
However Arthur Scargill decided that NO mines were to be closed and therefore he called an all out strike. This strike was actually against the unions own rules as no ballot was given to the members.
The unions acted appallingly forcing miners to strike even when they wanted to work.
Maggie remembering what happened with the 1974 strike and the country being brought to its knees without power had given productivity bonuses the effect of which was that there was a sufficient stockpile of coal to ride out a strike.
80% of the population supported Maggies actions which were purely to stand up against the miners and not give in to their demands.

This is where the Unions botched the whole thing up big style. Mines were unmanned and regular safety work was not carried out. This made many pits close purely on safety grounds not productivity or profit , it was a massive own goal. In the light of our troubles we had offers that we could not turn down in the form of cheaper coal from abroad. The longer the strike went on the more irrelevant our pits became. If the unions had not started the strike in the first place our mining industry allthough at a smaller scale would have continued on for a much longer time and with much fewer job losses.
In the end the unions got increasingly desperate as miners were forced to brave the picket lines to feed their families after months without pay. to stop this return to work pickets became increasingly violent leading to the murder of a taxi driver taking a miner to work.
The public had no sympathy for the miners with 80% backing Maggie to fight the obnoxious self centered union bosses.

Of course its much easier for miners or people sympathising with miners to say that Maggie shut down the mines and ruined communities but the truth is the Unions had an equal hand if not a bigger hand in their demise but for anyone to admit that would mean they would have to admit being wrong and that they had helped in their own dwownfall but that wont happen will it?

Spot on.

 

[sooey]

Thatcher and her cronies set out to destroy the miners from the start they planned for it well in advance and they succeeded. That doesn't make her a heroine to me, just a ruthless, callous destroyer of countless communities.

Still waiting for you to deny any of the points in MDF's post of 10 April. Those are the real reasons for the mine closures.

Still, I suppose it's much easier to call Maggie a ruthless destroyer!

Not too bright are you?
The thrust of that post by mdf was to try to show that the mine closures weren't the culmination of a pre thought out plan of action by the tories.
They were exactly that, they spent a lot of time and money preparing for that strike and provoked it when they were ready. The end result was exactly what they expected it would be. They also went after the shipyards and the print unions amongst others.
They set out to break the power of the unions and they succeeded completely. As already said the unions were in need of drastic change, but that time period was probably the only one in the history of this country when the working man had a real say. Is it any wonder that power had gone to too many heads after hundreds of years of serfdom?
Now, thanks to Thatcher and her cronies we're back to the serfdom again.
We're about to import another million or two serfs from romania and there is nothing the resident serfs can do to stop it.
Welcome to Thatchers real legacy.

 

[Norcon]

but that time period was probably the only one in the history of this country when the working man had a real say.

And what did he say?

Oh yeah lets strike for more pay and whilst were at it lets get the working hours reduced.
More pay for less productivity.
Stll happening today. Just have a look at those lazy teachers.

The Baroness gave them the boot and it didn't come a minute too soon.

As for Thatcher being responsible for the immigrants influx go and get a grip ffs.

 

[sooey]

I believe you prefer the east european serfs don't you norcon.
These next ones will be even cheaper than the Polish ones were, you must be rubbing your little hands together right now hey?

 

[Norcon]

Guys we had went home. No work.

 

[sooey]

As for Thatcher being responsible for the immigrants influx go and get a grip ffs

It's not a very hard concept to grasp norcon she fcked up the working classes ability to speak up for itself and act collectively. Other pr*cks like Blair come along and take advantage of that to the disadvantage of the working class and to the advantage of big employers.

 

[Norcon]

Well none of them listened to Enoch did they?

 

[JohnD]

lets get the working hours reduced.
More pay for less productivity.

just to check, do you really think that "productivty" is the same as "working hours?"

because it isn't

 

[Norcon]

Less working hours means less productivity no matter how you like to argue it.
Especailly when I'm holding the whip.

 

[Mw Roofline]

Would you believe Im a qualified English teacher certified by a London school working abroad?

 

[Norcon]

Those that can "do". Those that can't "teach".