The new HIV?

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  1. Brigadier

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    We've learned to live with the threat of HIV for four decades (some of us from childhood)..... will it have to be the same for the 'rona?


    It's one thing "going in suited and booted", and politely declining the offer of shooting up with a shared needle :eek:;), but it will be quite the other to not shake someone by the hand again , hug a mate you haven't seen in ages, and so on.........
     
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    I don't believe a vaccine will ever be developed cause it's classed as a mild disease by the NHS (they admitted this on one of the televised briefings) so it will be scaled back and be given the same attention as they do to developing a cold/flu vaccine

    Given the number of new cases / deaths goes down week on week eventually they will both hit 0 anyway especially when the phe gets their act together and starts reporting actual Corona virus deaths rather then saying " he tested positive for Corona , recovered from it, got hit and killed by a bus therefore we will put Corona down on the statistics as the cause of death"
     
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    I never believed we would develop a vaccine in any case, because humans have never naturally developed immunity against a coronavirus AFAIK.

    Perhaps you're right, and we'll just get back to living our lives, and mourning when a loved one dies........

    ..... except in a "new normal", where social distancing, hands sanitising, "bubbles" and covering one's face take the place of what we once knew?
     
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    They finally got the world to muzzle up.
    In some countries with threats, in others with news propaganda.
    Let's see what next step could be...
    Coronavirus lives between 4 and 7 foot off the ground...
    Everybody walking on all four.
    Take the leash Margaret, we're going out.
     
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    The two are almost nothing at all alike. For HIV we have very effective drugs to treat it. I saw an article that claimed you lost more years off your life expectancy with Diabetes than you do HIV now. It's also very hard to catch in day to day life. Covid-19 is very easy to catch, has few treatments but most people don't even know they've had it.

    We also don't have over 100 different vaccines in development for HIV.

    Usually the past is a reasonable predictor for the future, but not always. We have never as a species focussed this much on any single virus.

    Even without long term protection it may be possible to eradicate it through good enough short term protection and modern track and trace processes.
     
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    Which is why I carefully worded my post.

    What percentage of the world have "very effective drugs to treat" HIV? And are they readily accessible to the population?

    I did distinguish between the relative ease with which one can avoid HIV in normal day - to - day life, whereas CV revels in the mundane existence of humans.....

    The human body hasn't, in millions of years, developed an effective immune response to coronaviruses. Why do you have confidence that we can do it?

    Oh, but we have been close ; next year will mark four decades, hundreds of millions of deaths, and hundreds of billions of dollars, trying to vaccinate against HIV. We're no closer than when we started.

    Like I said, a "new normal". Masks, social distancing, tracking.


    Forgive my rudeness, but when trying to counter my post, you've either misunderstood it, ignored it, or actually agreed with it. None of which have had the effect which, presumably, you were seeking.
     
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    I don't really care, because it's of no relevance to Covid-19.
    Not proven, if a virus died out because we developed herd immunity 100 years ago we wouldn't know about it now.
     
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    You made the biological false equivalence, not I. I posted about effects on lifestyle.


    A fair point.
     
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  11. Ah, people are all numpties anyway, who wants to hug?! :) :)
     
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    Depends on who she is and if she is willing. :)
     
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    Virologists tend to have the view that humans will live with CV in the community. But treatments and or vaccines will render it more like your example aids: we will live with it but it won't kill us.

    There has never been a vaccine that is effective against the common cold because it's not deadly so there's been little incentive to spend out on R&D.
     
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    Are you out of your mind?
    You call mundane the shaking of hands, hugging, talking, kissing, congregate to share emotions and all other contact?
    This is what makes us humans, we're not animals.
    Mundane?!?!
    Shocking choice of "carefully chosen words"
     
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    Yes it's going down because pretty much the whole country is social distancing.

    It's not disappearing, see Miami.....8pm curfew now in place, refrigerated trucks have been hired to help at mortuaries, hospital ICUs almost at capacity.
     
  16. Perhaps he meant mundane as in ordinary, every day, nothing new or exciting?
     
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    You beat me to it.....that's exactly how I interpreted it.
     
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