Today's covid news conference

1. Asymptomatic transmission is a hypothesis; to be best of my knowledge anyway.

For various reasons it's now regarded as fact but there is another factor. Getting the virus and the time lag before symptoms show and they don't in some. The probability of passing it on is thought to relate to the viral load a person is carrying. It starts in the upper respiratory tracts. Other than when we are dead we breath out moisture all of the time. That carries the virus. Some one else can breath it in or it can finish up on surfaces - people touch them and that can lead to them becoming infected. When a virus gets into a human it replicates. Maybe some don't make it but the principle is there one can become many, The immune system takes a while to react. There are stages as well. They know this from other diseases. Viral loads have been looked at for the common cold and also reinfection after having one and catching the same virus again.

When it gets on surfaces it lives for 1 day on cardboard and 3 days on metal or plastic. It's needs it's tiny drop of water to survive. What happens when temperature changes - colder is likely to mean longer. Maybe it can't survive being frozen severely. Masks are intended to keep droplets out of the air and off surfaces. It's made a huge difference along with other methods used due to covid in keeping flu infections down. It's probably impacted the common cold too but there are levels of that around.

Last week 90% of infections were in people living in their homes and flats etc. 4% in care homes. Outbreaks are a bit different where they are reported. There was a high proportion of care homes where they are always reported and there are a lot less of those than houses etc. Seems some outbreaks aren't reported. So people going on numbers are bringing it into their houses etc but no way of knowing where they picked it up. If some one doesn't bring it into a household none would be infected so must be catching it away from home. Tough isn't it. I wonder if their is a flaw in distancing but earlier factors suggest people and what the gov allowed then to do lead to this wave but on the other hand the lower age group of infected people is still the largest. The question really is why.
 
Why do they need to estimate?
Is it not those testing positive but who have no symptoms?
They were reading jon the plumber's posts?


True - but still asymptomatic until symptomatic.
Well, erm, yes.

Around 49% of people initially defined as asymptomatic go on to develop symptoms​
Perhaps the estimates were based on whether they were asymptomatic on the day of the test, but went on to develop symptoms so they had to revise their data?
 
First were are told that there is a more infectious strain and now we are told that this new strain is not only more infectious but also more deadly, while Boris Johnson says that vaccines are effective against the new strain, his scientific advisors say that this cannot be confirmed.

Now Handcock is saying that the vaccine may possibly might be could be less effective against the new variant. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

All very vague and as usual, always erring on the side of worst possble scenario. They know they only have to mention the word 'variant' and the sheep are clamouring for all out, total lockdown. Maybe the new variant is 99.55% survivable rather than the old version at 99.6%.


Is this the goverment turning up the pressure to get people to comply.

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I've just read that we've vaccinated more people in 3 days than France has in 3 months.
The UK needs the vaccine more than anywhere else, except the US, because the RW approach to the pandemic is dangerous and ineffective.
 
Unless the sheep get their heads out of their ar$e$, ask searching questions, stop listening to propaganda and voting for more control - this won't be a film, but a factual documentary.

 
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It's based on 'the science'.

Not just the medical science though .
Social science .
Behavioural science.
Economic science.

Additionally, asymptomatic might be pre-symptomatic.

Which I've already covered. An asymptomatic who is following the guidance is logically unlikely to be spreader while asymptomatic, for the reasons I've already posted.
When symptomatic, they are more likely to have the mechanisms to spread the 'rona, but less likely the opportunity (laid up in bed, avoided by others, hospitalised.......)
 
'asymptomatic' used to be if you didn't have one of the following symptoms...
  • a high temperature – this means you feel hot to touch on your chest or back (you do not need to measure your temperature)
  • a new, continuous cough – this means coughing a lot for more than an hour, or 3 or more coughing episodes in 24 hours (if you usually have a cough, it may be worse than usual)
  • a loss or change to your sense of smell or taste – this means you've noticed you cannot smell or taste anything, or things smell or taste different to normal
Now the list of 'symptoms' is so long that it covers virtually every 'normal' illness and more...

Who'd have thought that this 'virus' was such a clever bugger that it would induce 'confusion' in the elderly :rolleyes:
(Although there are some on here who have obviously already succumbed to such a condition ;))

Add to that the induced global mass hypochondria/anxiety and they have the perfect system of control through fear!


 
'asymptomatic' used to be if you didn't have one of the following symptoms...

Not all of those are symptoms.

symptoms are things the patient has to tell you

signs are things you can observe.
 
signs are things you can observe.
So are you telling us that a normal headache is not a 'symptom'?

Or a sore throat?

Or feeling a bit tired?

etc etc...

Because the general population is being told they could be!
 
those three are symptoms.

If you were diagnosing a dog, or an unconscious person, they would not be able to tell you their symptoms.

Spots are a sign of chickenpox. Not a symptom. You can see them yourself. You can hear a cough. You can't see a headache.
 
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