Toilet Issue

[Jeremy2014]

So recently discovered that water was dripping every so often along the toilet and decided to change the Valve Diaphragm Washer.

Took out the float valve, replace the washer and put everything back to normal.

Now when I put the water back on - it is not a drip but proper water flowing out and cistern is unable to stay full as always emptying. so i kind of make it worse as now the toilet is not usable....

If I change the full float valve, would that resolve it?

or should I call the plumber! lol

 

[HERTS P&D]

Unclip the flush valve and check the washer underneath and make sure it is free moving when pressing the button.

Andy

 

[Jeremy2014]

by the flush valve, you mean the one in the middle, not the one of the left. Let me try to do that

 

[CountryFan]

by the flush valve, you mean the one in the middle, not the one of the left.

Yes. Check for debris or limescale too.

 

[Jeremy2014]

So took the flush valve out and look all right, washer is pretty good condition too - when I press the button, how should the valve react? I wonder if i put too much pressure on the cable when I lift the lid and maybe broken the cable and now the valve mechanism is slightly loose?

I guess next steps, back to the shop to get a a new flush valve rather than replacing the float valve?

 

[CountryFan]

Those cable types can be a pain. The valve should flush when button pressed. Does the cistern hold water with the lid off?

 

[Jeremy2014]

yes it kind of move when I press the button. When the lid is off, I fill it up with big bucket of water and water does not hold anymore at all. So have a feeling i might have broke something as it was holding yesterday!

 

[CountryFan]

Water will be seeping through that valve. Sounds like you've gone as far as you can. Either replace the valve or call a plumber in

 

[Scally-Ho]

Bite the bullet and replace the whole of that cistern's internals to start afresh. The poxy modern alternatives to the reliable tried and time-tested syphon are nothing but trouble. Start again with new cable free innards and give yourself a fighting chance

 

[Jeremy2014]

Thanks for your input - greatly appreciated. Last try before I call for plumber for.
so bought this and was hoping that the top bit would go into the base - but that is not the case.

Anyway, the Push button is too large and does not fit on the top - so not worth dismantling the whole unit.

Do anyone have any idea what that flush valve brand come from? was thinking if i could get another spare unit, I could just slide into the base and job done (one can keep over positive mood!)

If not, I guess time to call for plumber!

 

[Scally-Ho]

Welcome to the world of non British Standard plumbing. Since the relaxation (complete collapse) of the regulated plumbing world as it once was, any outlet can sell anything that looks good and is not overly expensive.
Place the lid on top of the cistern and then measure the gap from the bottom of the cistern to the button hole. That measurement will govern what brand/type of flushing valve that can be fitted, and there will probably be several to choose from.

 

[ChrisJP]

Bite the bullet and replace the whole of that cistern's internals to start afresh. The poxy modern alternatives to the reliable tried and time-tested syphon are nothing but trouble. Start again with new cable free innards and give yourself a fighting chance

Yes, syphon flushes became unsuitable when the Govt mandated very small (6 litre) cisterns to "save water". So we got flush systems with bottom valves that, unlike syphons, can, and do, leak. What's more, the leak often goes undetected because it goes into the toilet pan. The small cisterns also often require multiple flushes to remove solid matter in the toilet. The outcome of the Govt's "save water" action has thus been the exact opposite - law of unintended consequences!

 

[Jeremy2014]

Whoopps Whoops! At today's time, after a third run to the shop or was it a fourth...
and after deciding to take it all apart

Viva Skylo Lever Or Push Button Dual Flush Valve

This dual flush valve from Viva's Skylo range can be used with button or lever-operated systems. The dual flush design allows the user to save water by adjusting the level of flush - you can choose between half flush and full flush options. You'll find that the valve is easy to install and will...

www.toolstation.com

Got that item which fit much nicer for the button flusher and that seems to have done the trick!

Thanks you all as without your tips and recommendation, I would have never got there!

Kept the float valve as my understanding it was all right.

Quality does not seem as good as the one which was fitted - So I doubt the lifespan would go very long.

Seems now I can fix my toilet moving forward if that happen again! So a last question now as it bound to happen again, any good better quality product recommendation? just in case that one from tool station has limited life span?

 

[Scally-Ho]

I'm sorry to have to bear bad news, but ALL of today's flushing valves have an inherited flaw, namely that bottom sealing washer/diaphragm which is all that holds the 6L of water back. If you are lucky and it's a very good flawless fit on the seating, then it can last for years, but usually the fit soon ends up less than perfect and the cycle starts all over again.

 

[Jeremy2014]

I guess now that I know how to change it! it is not as bad if we keep a positive outlook. I guess, I just have to remember that this item have limited life and that I will have to change it again (it should not really as things should have longer lifespan really) - but I guess for the price, I guess best to do it myself than getting plumber in and treat myself to a nice meal and cocktail each time I end up changing it and repairing it! lol