Trump v Zelenskyy

Zalensky has not worn a suit since the 1st day of the war, so Trump's comment was a deliberate dig typical of a bully.
Exactly. The comment was intended to upset Zelensky and set the theme for the meeting.
 
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Yeah Vance was a pillock
I am not about to turn into a troll on here like the others but I was really dissapointed with this performance from Trump and Vance as they have just undone all of their good work.
 
I am not about to turn into a troll on here like the others but I was really dissapointed with this performance from Trump and Vance as they have just undone all of their good work.
Mate, I don't see anyone here being a troll, just discussing the humiliating experience the American president and vice president put Zelensky through.
 
He has said very nice things on Twitter following the meeting.

All he really asked for, which upset Trump and Vance, were security guarantees. Pointing out that Putin can't be trusted.
We all know that Russia can't be trusted.
Putin knows that everyone knows that Russia can't be trusted
Putin (and most other world leaders) knows that America can't be trusted either.
Trump knows that everyone knows that America can't be trusted.
All a bit, Rumsfeld, I know, but...
Neither have a good track record where honourability is concerned.

No links will be supplied by myself to back up that claim!
If you know, you know, and if you don’t then tough.

Saying such things openly, as a guest in the oval office in front of the world's media when you're hoping for a deal that could save your country from not existing anymore, really isn't the smart thing to do.
 
One thing is becoming ever clearer to me. The EU/UK need to get tooled up to the eyeballs so that we are, collectively, a military force to be reckoned with.

We need to make ourselves a powerful enough unit on the world stage (I mean EU & UK combined) so if asked in the future 'could you take on Russia yourself?' we can comfortably answer 'yes'.

America revels in the fact it has the power and is seen as the leader of the free world. Maybe that narrative needs changing, and perhaps Trump, Vance etc are knowingly or otherwise helping achieve just that.
 
One thing is becoming ever clearer to me. The EU/UK need to get tooled up to the eyeballs so that we are, collectively, a military force to be reckoned with.

We need to make ourselves a powerful enough unit on the world stage (I mean EU & UK combined) so if asked in the future 'could you take on Russia yourself?' we can comfortably answer 'yes'.

America revels in the fact it has the power and is seen as the leader of the free world. Maybe that narrative needs changing, and perhaps Trump, Vance etc are knowingly or otherwise helping achieve just that.
Like a European army, of sorts?
 
You are an idiot , go away
You have gone from
Trump is speaking sense. Somebody needs to say this to Zelensky
to
It was a terrible show but it needed saying behind closed doors. This was Trump in his usual weird way of doing things
and
I am not about to turn into a troll on here like the others but I was really dissapointed with this performance from Trump and Vance as they have just undone all of their good work.
then call me an idiot?

Pffffttt.

Make your mind up which side of the fence you are on.
 
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