UFO / UAP

[Brigadier]

For me the economics are far harder to solve than the physics

I had already thought the economics would be a perhaps insurmountable hurdle.

For you to think that though, would fundamentally hole your entire argument.

 

[motorbiking]

I had already thought the economics would be a perhaps insurmountable hurdle.

For you to think that though, would fundamentally hole your entire argument.

What argument am I making?

That it is possible that at some point in the future we will have solved these challenges?

The argument with a hole in it, is the one saying it will never happen.

 

[Brigadier]

What argument am I making?

That it is possible that at some point in the future we will have solved these challenges?

The argument with a hole in it, is the one saying it will never happen.

That it will become feasible, citing our previous rate of progress, and the years available in which to make future advances.


Hand-in-hand with progress comes diminishing costs: while the cutting edge remains exorbitant, just back from that becomes much less so (you used the example of basically instantaneous communication worldwide now, for free).

It took the resources of the global superpower to put humans into the Moon: if the hype is to be believed, we're almost at the point of private companies (or even wealthy individuals) being able to do the same.

 

[motorbiking]

Yes - Global competition (space race), trumps economic logic (it's too expensive) every time. Our technology advances are also accelerating.

Imagine a solar system with 2 or 3 life sustaining planets orbiting its sun. Imagine conditions, that lead to more rapid development of technology, by the inhabitants.

As I said earlier, we are merely the most evolved species on this planet. Not the universe.

 

[Brigadier]

Imagine

Imagine

Show me the peer-reviewed papers, where our previous understanding of the laws of physics (the laws that bind aspirations even with regard to particles, let alone objects) are overturned.


Otherwise, it is just fiction.

 

[motorbiking]

Show me the peer-reviewed papers, where our previous understanding of the laws of physics (the laws that bind aspirations even with regard to particles, let alone objects) are overturned.


Otherwise, it is just fiction.

I've said repeatedly, they are not broken.

Those researching possibilities have clearly identified those that are theoretically possible (e.g. high speed drive) apart from those that require a change of understanding compressing and expanding space..

 

[Koolpc]

Whilst your optimism may rouse the trolls and get them cheering you on, the truth is that the nearest star or even the outer edges if our solar system are just too great a distance fir humans to endure.
No one is going to put their hand up for a 10'000+ years journey where death in space is all there is to look forward to.

Why have you got to be a complete aris wipe all of the time? If anyone is a troll its you with your constant moaning and belittling of other members!!!

 

[noseall]

It's actually 46 years

Lol. Only in your wildest fantasies. If you think we will ever have the capability to condense a 70'000 year journey into 46 years, you are deluded.

Even 46 years worth of fuel, food and water is pure fantasy.

 

[noseall]

Show me the peer-reviewed papers, where our previous understanding of the laws of physics (the laws that bind aspirations even with regard to particles, let alone objects) are overturned.

He won't, he can't. Pure fantasy.

 

[Brigadier]

I've said repeatedly, they are not broken.

Those researching possibilities have clearly identified those that are theoretically possible (e.g. high speed drive) apart from those that require a change of understanding compressing and expanding space..

But, realistically, unachievable.

 

[motorbiking]

But, realistically, unachievable.

over what time frame? 10-20 years - certainly - 100 years maybe, 400 years - maybe not.

 

[gas112]

And the universe is both billions of years old, and fegging enormous.

By your logic, plenty of time and opportunities for near - lightspeed travel by objects with appreciable mass.......



So, where are they?

so would you see anything flying by at the speed of light ?

 

[Brigadier]

over what time frame? 10-20 years - certainly - 100 years maybe, 400 years - maybe not.

The next question is, why?

IIRC, a ground - based telescope actually imaged the surface of a star (one other than our Sun) for the first time in history, a few months ago.
Rather than it just being another point of light, an actual disc, with features visible.

With even better telescopes (including even, talk of an absolutely huge one in a perma - dark crater on the Moon), we could realistically do more and better science NOW and for a fraction of the cost, than wait centuries - at least - on the off-chance of us being able to go there in person.

For me, humans actually going anywhere near even the nearest star is a complete non-starter.

 

[Brigadier]

so would you see anything flying by at the speed of light ?

You tell me : you're the one who is into guessing games, and pie-in - the - sky fantasies.

 

[gas112]

You tell me : you're the one who is into guessing games, and pie-in - the - sky fantasies.

you are the one that asked where were they i asked would you actually see them .
Everything you have said is a guessing game based on technology in its infancy of a mere few decades