'UK has been colonised by immigrants'

[King Billy]

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But he isn't so shut up about it.

.... you can't say someone who lives in Monaco can't have an opinion on immigration. ...

You gotta laugh.

One minute a Monegasque is allowed an opinion on immigration to UK, and the next minute, as a UK resident I'm told I'm not allowed an opinion.

Would that be because you agree with his opinion, and you disagree with mine?

But the Monegasque was suggesting that all 9,000,000 immigrants are benefit claimants, i.e. denying UK residents the benefit of financial assistance from the government. Meanwhile he's migrated to a country where he pays far less tax, and doesn't pay it to UK anymore. But I bet he earns the majority of his income in UK. He's a hypocrite.
And Ivor thinks that I shouldn't be allowed an opinion, and Ivor's opinion outweighs mine.

You gotta laugh.

 

[King Billy]

..... What I found interesting was that it was mainly work related. The numbers allowed for spouse/family visas barely changed.

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When UK was part of EU, the majority of work visas were for yong EU people coming to work temporarily in UK.
They didn't have or didn't bring their dependents with them. It wasn't so far as to not pop back frequently to reunite with their families.
Brexit and free flow of workers between UK and the rest of Europe changed that model. Workers were now recruited fom further afield. They preferred to bring their families with them because it was too far to "pop back" to reunite with thir families frequently.

 

[King Billy]

We're thinking about different groups of migrants.

In general you're right.
But imagine the situation where you've been told that UK is a tolerant civilised, advanced country.
Your illusions are shattered when you arrive to find the you're treated almost like a criminal from the get-go. You face discrimination from all quarters, and if you can read English, you find that some poitical parties are threatening to deport anyone who doesn't fit their idea of being British.
And social media is full of anti-foreigner rhetoric. Your previous idea of what the British public are like is replaced with the perception that you're hated and despised.
Would you think this is a country where you'd like to settle and bring up your children?
Of course many do, which perhaps indicates how dire it was for them in their home country.

 

[King Billy]

Oh wind your neck in, this country doesn't belong to you.

Another poster who thinks some other people should not be allowed an opinion. You gotta laugh.

He's not lying, some of his 'facts' were incorrect but his sentiment and cold hard observations are correct,...

And he purposely twisted those cold hard facts into an emotive stream of fake propaganda to preach his right-wing views of UK.
You appear to think it's OK to posit fake facts, if it supports your right wing opinion.
Would you apply the same logic to those with a left-wing opinion?!

In addition, someone with loads o' money should be able to afford to be correctly informed.
If he's not accurately and correctly informed, he ought to sack his advisers.

 

[King Billy]

They don't get on with muslims though. But I don't think muslims actually get on with anyone other than their own, if anyone thinks otherwise then please disagree, I'd like to be wrong. If you upset them then death is the usual answer. Even if one of their own leaves the religion, death to them. The people preaching this stuff need to have the law thrown at them but it doesn't happen.

Does "having the law thrown at them" include those preaching the anti-Muslim rhetoric on social media?

 

[JP_]

All those hardworking immigrants claiming their hard-earned pensions after many years of working?
Their pension should be forfeited.

They don't get state pension.

 

[King Billy]

But did we know at the time that they would integrate better. In the 1950s we started recruiting workers for the mills and other industries from both Pakistan and India. Also, would Sikhs and Hindhus have been prepared to work in the mills.

You shouldn't accept Ivor's opinion as gospel. His opinion is based on his political world views, and he sees the world as his prejudice dictates.

 

[King Billy]

I dated a Muslim girl at uni. she was very moderate, didn't cover her hair, I met up with her a few years later at a wedding, she'd was now fully covered. I was quite shocked.

It's amazing how Muslims can adapt to fit into their social circles. Isn't that what we'd call integration?

 

[King Billy]

When my wife worked at Slough Council she had a Muslim girl on the team who like your ex, was very westernised in her dress. Then she got married and went full on cover up. Not long afterwards she would boast to anyone that would listen about her husband being in Afghanistan fighting the Americans.

If anyone believes that they'll believe anything.

 

[King Billy]

There is absolutely no use in discussing with these left wing trolls or to be polite just wired a different way, none of them will accept the UK has changed massively.

Try and find a country that hasn't changed massively over the last 50 years.
Whenever I visit my home towm I have difficulty finding my way around, such are the changes in infrastructure.
Pubs have come and gone, shops no longer exist, churches are now banks and banks are now churches or pubs. Motor manufacturing has disappeared and been replaced with massive shopping centres. Schools and hospitals have been replaced. Towns and cities have expanded, and sometimes farms have disappeared under the ever-expanding urban sprawl.

 

[King Billy]

2 or 3 weeks in the EU once a year? That’s all most on here want or need, even our resident skiing builder. We've still got that, haven’t we or have I missed something?

Speak for yourself. Oh, you did.

The real problem with UK retreating back into isolationism, is that other countries will behave and respond similarly. Sometimes to the extent that your annual trips abroad face ever increasing difficulties.
Those with grander or wider aspirations suffer far worse. Retirees can no longer retire to somewhere a little more sunnier, and therefore, in many cases, become a dependent on UK infrastructure because their preferred options no longer exist.

 

[King Billy]

You are part of the whole of the U.K. How exactly has Brexit fecked things up for you personally? You said you were enjoying more EU skiing trips since Brexit not long ago.

The political attitude of isolationism is contagious. Other countries respond to Brits' with their own versions of isolationism. This might be official discrimination, or unofficial discrimination.
If you don't understand the difference between official and unofficial discrimination, I'm happy to explain it.

 

[King Billy]

... Many politicians etc keep telling us it (multiculturism) is nothing but a positive for us.
...

It isn't an shouldn't be a binary choice between multoculturalism and isolationism.
There was and needs to be a middle ground.
But arguing that the one approach should not be allowed automatically argues that the other should take precedence.

 

[King Billy]

They don't get state pension.

If they've settled in UK and worked in UK for many years, they will be entitled to a state pension. The amount will of course be dependent on their years of contributions.
But right-wingers will still see them as immigrants claiming a benefit.

 

[MNW67]

But the Monegasque was suggesting that all 9,000,000 immigrants are benefit claimants, i.e. denying UK residents the benefit of financial assistance from the government.

Some think that he was deliberately trying to conflate the 9 million figure he gave for benefits etc. with immigration in some way.