US and Israel attack on Iran. What was the point?

[ReganAndCarter]

And on the pantomime rolls.................

 

[Mottie]

In what way do you see it as an overwhelming success?

He doesn’t see anything of the sort. He’s just a wind up merchant using ultra pro-Trump posts to get a response. Don’t bite.

 

[fillyboy]

Relax everyone, meeting in Switzerland cancelled and hostilities resumed in Southern Lebanon.

Business as usual.

 

[Highway Man]

Relax everyone, meeting in Switzerland cancelled and hostilities resumed in Southern Lebanon.

Business as usual.

I must admit I had begun to think of what am I going to do now with 26 cases of corned beef and a 12ft concrete dugout in my garden.

 

[blup]

I was surprised when Trumpf said “You don’t have to knock down a building every time someone walks into it that’s from Hezbolah”

 

[jj4091]

I was surprised when Trumpf said “You don’t have to knock down a building every time someone walks into it that’s from Hezbolah”

Obviously he has been influenced by someone with some common sense. Just need old Ben to talk to the same person now.Perhaps then he will realise he can have a safe zone in his own country and not someone else's

 

[diy_fun_uk]

What was the point?

Money baby, money.

Markets up and down, folk raking it in, maybe even some of those close to Trump

Then of course there's all the money to be made rebuilding infrastructure, property etc.

Tens of thousands dead? A small price to pay in the eyes of some.

 

[blup]

What was the point?

Money baby, money.

Markets up and down, folk raking it in, maybe even some of those close to Trump

Then of course there's all the money to be made rebuilding infrastructure, property etc.

Tens of thousands dead? A small price to pay in the eyes of some.

He killed dozens of school children to reopen the straits of hormuzz, and has paid Irann, the West’s great enemy, for the privilege of doing so. Look out for his next book, the Art of Capitulation

 

[King Billy]

Irans economy is is dire straits

It's not in the Straits, but it is alongside it, and they've demonstrated they can control it.

There military has been significantly depleted

There bomb programme has been set back by years

A good few of the mad mullers have been bumped off ( good riddance to bad rubbish )

Regime change ??

According to Trump's untruth social.

US had very few casulties

I see you've noted that US lives are much more expensive and less expendable than non-white lives:

Plus it gave an opputunity for weapons manufacturers to conduct some in the field testing and R&D

 

[motorbiking]

I was trying to pick apart the strategy Trump's team would be running. It would be ridiculous to think they are as f*** daft as they appear to have been. My only conclusion was to put such an amazing deal on the table that Iran can't walk away from the detailed agreement, as it wont get better than this offer.

 

[Highway Man]

This deal is is more of a surrender and desperation measure with smoke and mirrors from the Trump admin. Iran gets it's frozen asset money back, takes control of Homuz, gets $300 billion of investment in rebuiding its infrastructure, allowed ballistic missiles, keeps its enrichment program for nuclear powerstation for electric generation, no garantees of handing over the 60% enriched uranium.
The US get's them to say they won't develop a nuclear weapon. Great deal...

 

[ellal]

Israel isn't at war with Lebanon, they are at war with Hezbollah who are an Iranian backed terror group occupying Lebanon. Why aren't other countries coming to the aid of Lebanon and helping them get their country back?

No different from israeli proxy groups elsewhere in the Middle East...

So why is israel vowing to keep hold of illegally seized land in Lebanon regardless of what happens?

And why are they destroying Lebanese towns/villages and killing Lebanese civilians?

Maybe because...

"Israel's national security minister said "all of Lebanon must burn"

What was that about the 'less aggressive approach'

 

[King Billy]

Could be better, maybe. Other than that I'll wait and see where we are in 60 days.

I doubt if the 'peace' will last 6 days if Netanyahu has his way.

Nuke wise it's already surpassed the Obama deal, the usual suspects seem to ignore the fact that most of the Obama deal was riddled with 'sunset clauses' where conditions expired after 8-10 years (deal was signed in 2015), inspections were hampered and stockpiles were limited to 300 kilos at below 4% enrichment, they currently stand at 440 kilos at 60% enrichment, that one single measure is a good indication of how successful the Obama deal was.

The usual suspects seem to ignore that Iran has always stated they have no intention of building a nuclear weapon.

Israel will be in a difficult position regarding Hezbollah, if Hezbollah do as they're told and stop launching rockets/drones at Israel the ceasefire might hold.

Because this is probably true.

I hear a lot about Israel launching unprovoked attacks on Lebanon

The difference is the disproportionate response.

but very little about the fact Hezbollah have launched over 8000 rockets into Israel since October 7th 2023

How many of those rockets were fired at IDF invading Lebanon?
Israel has killed about 7,000 in Lebanon, Hezbollah have killed about 100 Israelis.

and 70,000 Israelis have been evacuated and displaced from their homes,

About 1.4 million have been displaced in Lebanon.
So the displacement of civilians in Israel is just 5% of those displaced in Lebanon.
And of course, the Hezbollah action is in support of the attacks on Palestinians in Gaza.

how is this not provocation? why are Israel 'not allowed' to respond.

Israel has invaded Lebanon multiple times since 1948:

A history of Israel’s invasions of Lebanon​

Israel invaded Lebanon on multiple occasions since 1948 and, most recently, has declared plans to reoccupy large areas of its south

Israel isn't at war with Lebanon,

That'll be why they keep invading.
It's in the Zionist manifesto.

they are at war with Hezbollah who are an Iranian backed terror group occupying Lebanon.

UK were at war with the IRA, but they didn't invade Ireland.
US were at war with Houthis, but they haven't invaded Yemen.
US was at war with Iran but didn't invade.
France was at war with terror groups in Niger and Somali but didn't invade.

The better option is to support the government to fight an internal war with the terror groups, which is what UK, France, USA, Turkey, etc have done when faced with similar situations.
But no, Israel has its own Zionist objective to achieve and the better route of assisting the recognised government to fight the militant groups would not allow Israel to achieve those objectives.

Why aren't other countries coming to the aid of Lebanon and helping them get their country back?

Because they're not oppressing Palestinians, thus Hezbollah are not waging war on them, so Hezbollah is a Lebanese internal affair.
Until now Israel has been fighting the US's war for them, in much the same way that Hezbollah, Houthis and Hamas has been fighting Iran's war for them,
But you agree with the US/Israel strategy, and accuse Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis and Hamas of underhand tricks.

The saying about the goose and the gander come to mind.

 

[Mottie]

Maybe because...

"Israel's national security minister said "all of Lebanon must burn"

Maybe he said that because…..

Iranian pilgrims chant ‘death to America’ and ‘death to Israel’ at hajj ceremony

Iranian pilgrims chanted “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” during the annual “Disavowal of Polytheists” ceremony held on Thursday in the plain of Arafat in Saudi Arabia, Iranian media reported.

www.iranintl.com

If I said ‘death to ellal', you’d be justified in replying ‘Mottie must burn'.

Yes or no?

 

[King Billy]

5 Presidents Promised to End Iran's Nukes

So why the outrage?

danielgreenfield.substack.com

Since 1995, five presidents and multiple vice presidents and presidential candidates had promised to end Iran’s nuclear program by any means necessary.

All of them more capable than Trump.
It reinforces the known fallacy of committing military manpower to an unachievable goal.
The effects are not only felt around the world they're being felt in USA also.