Vokera Linea 28 - Code 1

[Agile]

OK then, but in reality its not £70-£75 its actually £74.46 plus carriage plus VAT.

In your case its pretty irrelevant as the parts cost is included in the insurance based boiler cover.

Tony

 

[breezer]

my2p

years ago, a bloke i worked for always gave people 50% off just to get the job we were doing (thats 50% off EVERYTHING)

One day when on our own, i asked how he could do it.

simple he said

say what we are doing is worth £1 to me, i tell them its £1.50, when they um and are i say , tell you what, flanel,flanel,bullsh*t bullsh*t yahdy yahdy yah, i will do it for £1 they always agreed.

so ever since then i never believe about any % off.

reminds me of a "trade show" at the begining x item was £1.20, at end of show notice read "last few only, £ 1.30" yes you did read that right.


But it always tickles me when joe public thinks because they have seen item y in a diy shed and they think THAT is what you are going to fit at the the price they have seen it for, never mind item y they saw is an elcheapo production and then you have to pay for carrige etc of the better item y

Figures used are for demonstration purposes only. other cons are available

 

[ThisIsNowTakenToo]

Hi Tony,

I looked at a couple of websites, it was just under £70 at one, and just under £75 at another. As you correctly picked me up on, both excluded VAT/P&P.

In case anyone is curious about the websites that I looked at:

http://www.keeptheheaton.com/acatalog/Vokera_Gas_Valves.html
http://www.europeanspares.com/ (I searched for Vokera 1836)

Note: If you search for Vokera 10021021, you'll notice the error that I spotted. It looks like that model is a bargain at the minute!

Cheers

James

PS - I noticed when searching for the newer models of the gas valve that the latest model (afaik) is £73.75 excluding VAT/P&P.

 

[ThisIsNowTakenToo]

Hi Breezer,

Yes, that's basically what I'm talking about, if you don't "um and are", some companies are happy to charge you that 150%, and they make a tidy profit, so sometimes it pays to haggle a little. As you mentioned though, you do have to be careful, as sometimes you get exactly what you pay for!

Cheers

James

 

[Paul Barker]

I'm of the firm belief that if you are fair with your price and people start to haggle you should walk out. Then they will know that next time you give them a price that is your price. It's the same when buying, if you go into a second hand shop to buy something, ask the price, if it's too high don't hagle just say, oh you are far too expensive for me and walk out. The next time you ask them a price they will give you the correct one.

We do not rip anyone off on price and if you wan to try and cut me down by 50% you will see the back of me as I head for the van... We havea remuneration requirement for our service, part of that service is handling parts.

Actually we could charge for eveything we do. Now that we have to notify installations we could charge for that. I don't at the moment but after being charged £117 by my accountant for his service of doing a one off registration with the Inland Revenue for my employees paye which would be no more work than I do every time I notify corgi of a gas job I am thinking that the next accountant I fit a boiler for will three months later get an invoice for "electronic notification of gas work £117".

Stop having a pop at us! We give a hell of a lot for free as it is compared to other professions.

 

[ThisIsNowTakenToo]

Hi Paul,

I think you have the right idea to be honest, and often what you suggested in your first paragraph can lead to the haggling. For example, I say, "I'm sorry, but that price is too high for me.", and then at that point it is entirely down to the company etc whether to go the haggling route, or leave it at that. Either way, if you feel the price is too high, you have nothing to lose by saying so.

Again, my apologies if my comments implied that they are isolated to, or especially true for, your profession. As you mentioned, it probably does vary from one profession to another, as well as from one company to the next. Like yourself, I wish everyone gave their price, without all of the games.

Cheers

James

 

[cdg]

I'm of the firm belief that if you are fair with your price and people start to haggle you should walk out. Then they will know that next time you give them a price that is your price. It's the same when buying, if you go into a second hand shop to buy something, ask the price, if it's too high don't hagle just say, oh you are far too expensive for me and walk out. The next time you ask them a price they will give you the correct one.

You'll like this one as it is Scarborough related...

Mother went in to buy a Honda (not the Seamer Road one) and after lots of time from salesman A (let's just call him "ba stard" for now, you'll see why later) and a test drive, she asked the price. His price was "Y". She thought, that's way too high. She went to another Honda dealer who offered her a much better price ("Y" - £1000+) and she bought it from there instead.

When salesman A found out, he rang my mother up and tore a strip off her, saying she was a disgrace, that he'd spent all the time with her and that she should have given him another chance. [I didn't know about this until well after the event or I would have had him shot ].

She is old school (just plain old really) and takes people at face value, as you suggest, but people have different tactics and we aren't all privvy to what they are.

She felt bad about it but it was patently his error of judgement.

Luckily, a chap doing a LOT of work for me at the moment sets his stall out early, makes it clear that the price is a good one (his best) so no point haggling, he's a take-it-or-leave-it fella and if I want to buy the bits that's fine and if he gets the skip, removes the gear, buys parts then it's going to cost more than if I did it myself. It's bleedin' obvious isn't it but there are so many different approaches out there it's often like treading on eggshells working out which buttons to press!

BTW If you see my ma in a light green Honda up Burniston Rd give her a wide berth, her eyesight's not what it was, and if she hits you, by the time you've got her insurance details, you'll have agreed to fix her Ideal boiler too which is a crock.

 

[Agile]

I have always taken the view that one should always be fair and honest with all financial transactions.

I was selling my house and an Arab agreed to buy it and we shook hands on the deal.

Another person who had enquired before, shall we say not English, had been told what price I would accept but he declined saying it was too much.

He called again and I told him that I had already agreed to sell it to someone else at the price I had quoted to him. He then offered an extra £1000 if I would let him have it. I took great pleasure in telling him that as I had agreed to sell it then that is what I was going to do and that he had been given the chance beforehand.

I am very pleased as we became good friends with the Arab and his English wife. When the contract was signed he took us out to his casino and gave my wife £5 to ganble with and she turned it into £125 !

Tony

 

[Paul Barker]

If it's a modern Ideal boiler it was probably fitted by Steve Woodhouse, great bloke but will keep litering Scarborough with Ideal Boilers. My advise is get him back and insist on it when it goes wrong it's the only way he'll ever learn.

 

[cdg]

Ha ha. Nice. But I think it was a Tay new build - he didn't do those did he?

 

[Paul Barker]

Oh is it named after army regiments opposite the registry office? Only ones of those I've had dealings with are flats that dont have gas but economy 7. There are some houses those must have gas.

Most of the new builds around the area have Glow worm Micron pcb busters in. Think I'd be happier with an Ideal against that model.

The ideals seem to be reilaible it's just that when you do have to work on them you skin your knuckles.

 

[TheGasMan26]

If your still intrested in fixing your linea, the company I work for have a big council contract to install/maintain & repair all their heating, sadly until recently these were mainly vokeras, anway fixing these them all day I can tell u 01 is a common fault on these boilers & is rarely(but not never) the gas valve. First check your working pressure @ gas valve inlet, then ensure high & low gas pressures are set correctly(essential 4 lineas), check condition throughout, connections & routing(ie-not touching 2 many conductive surfaces) of spark lead, check spark electrode condition & gap to burner 3mm(use a pund coin) & finally check the securing bracket holding fan to condense heat exchanger(this often slips loose causing fan to suck gas out of appliance to fast causing intermittant 01). If all is as should be it is likely(most common cause) "ignition pcb", many, many of these develop the intermittant 01 fault, a lot of the time while still in warranty which I find poor, considering how vokera bang on about there "obsession quality & testing", use the manual & xploded diagrams to assist & this should solve ur problem.

 

[Agile]

If your still intrested in fixing your linea, the company I work for have a big council contract to install/maintain & repair all their heating, sadly until recently these were mainly vokeras, anway fixing these them all day I can tell u 01 is a common fault on these boilers & is rarely(but not never) the gas valve. First check your working pressure @ gas valve inlet, then ensure high & low gas pressures are set correctly(essential 4 lineas), check condition throughout, connections & routing(ie-not touching 2 many conductive surfaces) of spark lead, check spark electrode condition & gap to burner 3mm(use a pund coin) & finally check the securing bracket holding fan to condense heat exchanger(this often slips loose causing fan to suck gas out of appliance to fast causing intermittant 01). If all is as should be it is likely(most common cause) "ignition pcb", many, many of these develop the intermittant 01 fault, a lot of the time while still in warranty which I find poor, considering how vokera bang on about there "obsession quality & testing", use the manual & xploded diagrams to assist & this should solve ur problem.

You should not be giving advice on gas related matters to a member of the public who is not qualified to work on gas.

Its not only potentially dangerous but against forum rules as it constitutes inappropriate advice!

Tony

 

[mickyg]

I wouldn't worry Tony, after 2 1/2 yrs I'm guessing the OP has probably got the problem fixed

 

[nickso]

finally check the securing bracket holding fan to condense heat exchanger(this often slips loose causing fan to suck gas out of appliance to fast causing intermittant 01). .

you will have trouble finding that on a linea 28.