What defines "Guilt"

[cantaloup63]

A related discussion methinks

Is guilt a state of not being innocent?
Can one be guilty if one is unaware of doing wrong?
What is an acceptable "proof" of guilt

 

[Alarm]

1, Not really.
2, Possibly.
3, The child has your ears and smile.

 

[enyam]

What is an acceptable "proof" of guilt

When the foreman of a jury says guilty.

 

[enyam]

3, The child has your ears and smile.

 

[Alarm]

What is an acceptable "proof" of guilt

When the foreman of a jury says guilty.

So how about the innocents they hung?

Thats that one shot down in flames.

 

[cantaloup63]

1, Not really.

cop out answer

2, Possibly.

cop out answer

3, The child has your ears and smile.

I have a long story about that, but not for this thread

 

[enyam]

What is an acceptable "proof" of guilt

When the foreman of a jury says guilty.

So how about the innocents they hung?

Thats that one shot down in flames.

Not more hanging carp.

 

[Alarm]

Well you started the carp

 

[cantaloup63]

Let's not!

So, if we can't accept a jury's decision based on the evidence presented in a particular way as ultimate "proof", does this mean that "guilt" itself is a fluid concept?

 

[Alarm]

It is all about "proof" and that is always going to be the difficult part. A wrong word from a witness, a spare "blood stain" and all of a sudden your the perpetrator. Yet you could be totally innocent.
A stubborn jury member, a tired one - can all conspire to a wrong verdict. No one has ever said it is infallible.
Evidence can be mixed up, misread.

It is not perfect but the best we have at the moment.

Guilt is not fluid but it is not as solid as some like to think.

 

[cantaloup63]

Guilt is not fluid but it is not as solid as some like to think.

Although the use of DNA, Cameras etc seems to suggest that one could at least get it as solid as glass , if indeed concrete is unachievable

There is another side to the argument which relates to the ever changing arbitrariness of what a "society" decides to be a crime, which is presumably what what calibrates innocence or guilt against. If this scale is movable - which it seems to be - then guilt is movable too

 

[Alarm]

Go read a book!

Reminds me we now have a "book share" in the local. We all bring in books that we are finished with and swap, read and return.

Got about 8 to take over and a pint to be had!!

Cyas in a while

 

[cantaloup63]

 

[alumni]

Guilt.

You do something, you're guilty of doing it.

Now, if you want to involve the Courts...

Remember, CPS decide if a 'case' goes to court - banged to rights guilty or not.

 

[joinerjohn]

Guilt can also be admitted . An honest person who did something wrong might actually admit that guilt and face the consequences, rather than have it on their conscience.
In odd cases where people have admitted their part in something, guilt doesn't have to be proven.