What is this world coming to......

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Regardless of the mans colour he was in a place he shouldn't have been, carrying out an act he had been forbidden by the courts to do, refused to leave when asked to do so by the police, recovered from being tazered and became very aggressive and abusive to the law officers. He then proceeded to go to his car and bend down to get something. The police were warned he carried a weapon, (doesn't matter if it was a knife, that knife could have turned out to be a big machete or he may have unknowingly had a firearm), so despite being told to stay away from the car he didn't. He lives in America, he knows what is happening in America and if he has 2 brain cells he would realise he may be treated in the same manner as other perpetrators have been. He refused to acknowledge all of this and carried on with his intentions, (whatever they may have been), so the police, who are there to protect innocent or vulnerable action took a split second decision to take the action they did in order to stop him and protect others. Seven shots may seem excessive, only an enquiry may be able to answer that, but put yourself in the position of those officers, (actually you can't even begin to imagine what might have been going through their minds at the time unless you have been front line military facing a hostile enemy), could you swiftly in a split second take a decision that could result in you, your colleagues or an innocent passer-by being killed?
Put yourself in the position of the woman he was trying to get access to. You are terrified that he is going to hurt/kill you or anyone else in your house. You would want the police to take swift action to negate the situation and make you feel safe again. Personally I have no sympathy for the man. He knew he was breaking the law, he knew police carry firearms, he knew they use them in hostile situations and that he ran the risk of being shot. My sympathy lies with the officer who is given a very difficult job to do and never wants to shoot someone because he then has a death at his hands, (which was not in a declared war zone), to contend with for the rest of his life and that fact will follow him around for the rest of his days. He will carry these feelings even if the guy had been white, Chinese, Polish, Mexican or whatever other nationality you care to name.
The media are the worst offenders in these cases for stirring up trouble by using sensationalism to sell their filth.
 
The bottom line is that many local American police are poorly trained and often poorly selected when applicants are interviewed. And the whole system is badly managed in some towns. Corruption adds further "failures" in the inadequate management of the local police.

Then there is often competition and/or conflict that exists between (1) the local (town) police, (2) local sheriff. (3) state police (troopers) and (4) federal police and the situation is complex.

By GRAHAM KATES | CBS News | June 13, 2020 at 1:14 AM EDT - Updated June 13 at 1:14 AM

(CBS News) - The Minneapolis police academy trains young soon-to-be officers for 16 weeks before they're assigned weapons and sent out on the streets as rookie cops. They then spend six months paired with training officers who show them the ropes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...lice-violence-germany-georgia-britain/612820/
In Germany, for example, police recruits are required to spend two and a half to four years in basic training to become an officer,
 
The bottom line is that many local American police are poorly trained and often poorly selected when applicants are interviewed. And the whole system is badly managed in some towns. Corruption adds further "failures" in the inadequate management of the local police.

Then there is often competition and/or conflict that exists between (1) the local (town) police, (2) local sheriff. (3) state police (troopers) and (4) federal police and the situation is complex.

By GRAHAM KATES | CBS News | June 13, 2020 at 1:14 AM EDT - Updated June 13 at 1:14 AM

(CBS News) - The Minneapolis police academy trains young soon-to-be officers for 16 weeks before they're assigned weapons and sent out on the streets as rookie cops. They then spend six months paired with training officers who show them the ropes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...lice-violence-germany-georgia-britain/612820/
In Germany, for example, police recruits are required to spend two and a half to four years in basic training to become an officer,

Yep. The US police are poorly trained in handling situations and then with their qualified immunity and unions there is very little accountability.



I believe the UK Police is better trained but still need more training and support.
 
Regardless of the mans colour he was in a place he shouldn't have been, carrying out an act he had been forbidden by the courts to do, refused to leave when asked to do so by the police, recovered from being tazered and became very aggressive and abusive to the law officers. He then proceeded to go to his car and bend down to get something. The police were warned he carried a weapon, (doesn't matter if it was a knife, that knife could have turned out to be a big machete or he may have unknowingly had a firearm), so despite being told to stay away from the car he didn't. He lives in America, he knows what is happening in America and if he has 2 brain cells he would realise he may be treated in the same manner as other perpetrators have been. He refused to acknowledge all of this and carried on with his intentions, (whatever they may have been), so the police, who are there to protect innocent or vulnerable action took a split second decision to take the action they did in order to stop him and protect others. Seven shots may seem excessive, only an enquiry may be able to answer that, but put yourself in the position of those officers, (actually you can't even begin to imagine what might have been going through their minds at the time unless you have been front line military facing a hostile enemy), could you swiftly in a split second take a decision that could result in you, your colleagues or an innocent passer-by being killed?
Put yourself in the position of the woman he was trying to get access to. You are terrified that he is going to hurt/kill you or anyone else in your house. You would want the police to take swift action to negate the situation and make you feel safe again. Personally I have no sympathy for the man. He knew he was breaking the law, he knew police carry firearms, he knew they use them in hostile situations and that he ran the risk of being shot. My sympathy lies with the officer who is given a very difficult job to do and never wants to shoot someone because he then has a death at his hands, (which was not in a declared war zone), to contend with for the rest of his life and that fact will follow him around for the rest of his days. He will carry these feelings even if the guy had been white, Chinese, Polish, Mexican or whatever other nationality you care to name.
The media are the worst offenders in these cases for stirring up trouble by using sensationalism to sell their filth.
You seem to know everything about the incident...

Where is your source for such an encyclopedic analysis of the actual events?

Oh that's right, 'trial by media'!

"(actually you can't even begin to imagine what might have been going through their minds at the time unless you have been front line military facing a hostile enemy)"

US police appear to believe black people are the 'hostile enemy', and can do pretty much what they like because they rarely get prosecuted for their actions...

A bit like the police in the UK knowing they can get away with 'deaths in custody' because the same processes apply...

Because the 'state' cannot be called into question!
 
I've seen people brawl with the cops where I am (busy pubs), disobey them. In the USA, that'll get you shot.
Correct! I don’t live in the USA but if I was out there and told to stand still by a cop, the last thing I’d do would be to disobey him, walk to my car and bend down to pick something up from the vehicle floor. If I did, I really would expect to get shot. That cop didn’t know what he was going to pick up from the floor. Was he supposed to wait and see - maybe he was going to give him a bunch of flowers or a box of chocolates?
 
When a man can’t go to his girlfriends house while being prohibited from doing so, refuse to comply with police orders and, after being tasered, continue to resist arrest, go to his car, bend down to pick up a weapon from the floor without getting shot? It’s a joke, right?

 
If I had been a cop there, and this guy told me that he had a knife, then I would stand back out of harms way with my gun aimed at him to see what would've happened before shooting. Why did he tell them he had a knife?

I wouldn't like to think that I would shoot him at point blank 7 times. 7 times tells me this young cop wasn't trained well and panicked.

Yes, the chap should've obeyed the police, we all should. Getting arsey with the cops isn't ever a good move, let alone if you live in the USA. But there's something wrong with their system, be it the training, the way everyone can carry and perhaps racism too etc. I am certainly relieved we don't have that with guns. Our cops are trained in talking down - this was a domestic call out and I am pretty sure this would've ended up with a warning, or at least time out in a cell to calm down.
 
If I had been a cop there, and this guy told me that he had a knife, then I would stand back a bit with my gun aimed at him to see what would've happened.

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

And if he was lying? And had a gun?

You give the impression that you believe that everything's nice, warm and fluffy out there. It's not. People at the sharp end have to deal with highly unpredictable psychos and nut jobs on a daily basis. Waiting to see what weapon a crim has can cost the policeman his life.
 
It was the woman he was visiting who told the police she believed he may be armed with a knife.

As ReganandCarter says, in an environment as such as America you simply cannot trust what you are told and have to expect the worst scenario.

You seem to know everything about the incident...

Where is your source for such an encyclopedic analysis of the actual events? (I have a large number of family members who have lived in the states for many years and we all have family conversations between this country and theirs. Believe me, you don't see half of what happens in America in the newspapers this side of the pond and when a 'story' becomes world wide it is usually pushed by certain newspapers that have vested interests in a particular story/event. Usually a small town one that wants more readership)

Oh that's right, 'trial by media'! (Not by the media in this country )

"(actually you can't even begin to imagine what might have been going through their minds at the time unless you have been front line military facing a hostile enemy)"

US police appear to believe black people are the 'hostile enemy', and can do pretty much what they like because they rarely get prosecuted for their actions... (a small minority may. Don't tar everyone with the same brush)

A bit like the police in the UK knowing they can get away with 'deaths in custody' because the same processes apply... (you really believe this is happening all over?)

Because the 'state' cannot be called into question!
(Yes it can and is)
 
If I had been a cop there, and this guy told me that he had a knife, then I would stand back out of harms way with my gun aimed at him to see what would've happened before shooting
If I had a gun, I may have pretended to have knife so that he stood back and gave me a clear shot. :whistle:
 
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