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which is the best white gloss that doesn't go yellow

Discussion in 'Decorating and Painting' started by beermontypython, 18 Mar 2008.

  1. D.S.D

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    get the flowetrol in all good decorating centers not homebase or bnq and a roller would put it on ok but would leave a mottled finish that you would have to lay off with a brush so waste of time really. Good luck mate.
     
  2. 54aardvark

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    The 4" mohair rollers give a brilliant finish with oilbase, but never used them with waterbase so its probably not a lot of help! (And you still have to cut in the edges).
     
  3. beermontypython

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    Thank you guys,, roller is off. Now I am not completely stupid regarding my interpretation of decorating but could you clarify the term "laying off" to me please.
    What I usually do is apply the paint, say to a door, left to right and then finish off with a light up and down stroke. I think I did the same using the waterbase although I may have done the motion twice in both directions if this makes any sence.

    Would you explain to me please what the correct method is of applying gloss paint..

    Thanks
     
  4. Big_Vern

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    Never ever use a normal hair brush with waterbased glosses & eggshells, Always use a synthetic brush such as a Purdy or one of the new Johnstone's Fat Hog brushes.

    If you want a non yellowing from a gloss or eggshell always use an Acrylic based gloss or eggshell
     
  5. Zampa

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    Always make your final stroke an upwards one..or at least make sure you lay off in the direction of the grain if your painting wood...

    As for laying off water based gloss...dont play around with it too much..put it on, lay it off in about 2-3 strokes and leave it.

    If, for instance your painting a door frame with water based...paint the edge of the architrave first on both sides (try and not get any on the face of the architraves if you can help it) ..then paint the top of the frame and the leading edge of the lining first...then work your way down on the left and the right side doing about 18 inches at a time...work your way down to the bottom..remembering to lay off upwards

    When you have done that do the rest of the lining (the underside) and the door stop (if its on the side your doing) and work down in the same manner as above.

    Thus method will help you keep a wet edge.
     
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    Vern...those fat hogs...any good?..or local rep has been trying to get me to take some ..but seeing as reps will big anything up in order to punt it im doing my homework first..

    Just tried to send that via a message..god what a performance!..ot took me 10 minutes to sus out what was going on..not worth the bother IMO..
     
  7. beermontypython

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    Well my friends being under from my other half to get it finished, I WENT AND DUN IT. The end result was margionally better than the first but I think after reading your advise, maybe a good quality brush would have helped.

    I being an absolute novice at decorating, (yes even after 50 years) take my hat off to you professional decorators, I only wish I had taken the time to go to night classes to learn more on techniques and quality of tools needed.
    I have probably done what a lot of people do , buy my brushes from FOCUS, B&Q etc etc, I have always bought Pure Bristle but never paid very much for them, and finish up throwing them away after finishing the job. It's sounds very much that I should treat myself to one or two good brushes. How much should I pay, should they be normally pure bristle for oil based and the ones mentioned above Purdy etc..for water based, eggshell
    Should they big long bristle or short,,as most decorators I see all their brushes always seem to be short,, or is that just through wear and tear.

    I think paint brushes are a minefield that very few amateurs have little understanding of due to many packs of brushes stating "professional brushes" when in fact they are rubbish. I think the next time I want paint my doors white I will use eggshell or acrylic with a good brush,, what do you think boys.
     
  8. Zampa

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    Thanks for that...so many people underestimate painting and decorating and have the attitude if you can you can p**s, you can paint.

    First thing first...blow the DIY shops out..go to a trade centre thats set up for pro decorators, they should be able to advise you well.

    I have used pure bristle brushes in water based and got on fine with them..if you do use one remember to dampen the brush slightly first.

    But as the others have said you might be better off with a purdy or a good synthetic filliament brush..they kepe their shape better when wet and retain their firmness..id still dampen the fillaments first though.

    Expect to pay...roughly, abut ten quid for a 35mm

    Check out the posts above..you may have missed a couple while you were typing yurs.
     
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    Haven't actually used a one but have heard loads of positive feedback from decorators that have used them ;)
     
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    There is one exception at the moment for sheds selling good brushes and that's ....wickes.

    They have a 3 pack deal with a one inch, a one and a half inch and a 2 inch in the pack for £7.99. They're a lot like Purdys.
    The handles are too polished, the stocks are a bit thin and the bristles are a touch "flappy" :LOL: ....apart from that , these brushes are excellent value. I've been using them on and off, for about a year now and they're superb value for money.
     
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    Are they any good for one coat glosses?



















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    SHhhhh we'll be having people asking 'whats a brushmate' next :LOL:
     
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    Whats a brush?.......mate

    Hmm...cellulose thinner eh, sounds like a good idea..especially if it strips the handles back to the wood...I just cant for the life of my see the point in highly polished slippery handles...the first thing I do is rub them down


    BRUSH MAKERS TAKE NOTE...LEAVE THE HANDLES AS THEY ARE AND SPEND MONEY OF BETTER QUALITY FILLING!

    If any of you are having trouble sleeping at night heres why the quality of the bristle is falling...

    Its due to changes in the farming industry in China where 90 odd percent of the bristles come from...wild boars are being bred for ther meat now instead of their bristles..

    Sleep well
     
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    Hey Growler......Gota three pack set from wickes last year, didnt have the polished handle that I remember. Only bought them as a cheap throw away priming set but ended up keeping them :D used a couple on the gloss and they are fine. Superb for acrylic primers and undercoats too. Also nicked me mates ones for some sadolin we had to do again no probs at all with them ;)
     
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