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Hi.

I'm going to start trading next year and I looking for some constructive advice on the different part P scheme providers. Are some better than others, I've noticed that some providers criteria differs slightly.

Thanks Stewart
 
The criteria should be the same, however NAPIT apparently had/has higher entry requirements, but your customers certainly won't know or care about that.

Just make sure you join before June.
 
New requirements for supervisiors are the only actual announced change so far.

Note the word 'new' regarding the qualifications, and only 6 months before it is a requirement - in other words almost no one will have this and no time for most to get it either, effectively closing the door to all new applicants.
 
Hi.

I'm going to start trading next year and I looking for some constructive advice on the different part P scheme providers. Are some better than others, I've noticed that some providers criteria differs slightly.

Thanks Stewart

OK big questions
1. What qualifications do you have, right now
2. Do you plan to do domestic, or commerical work
 
Stick with the NICEIC. The only brand that people look for.
True enough in the the commercial and industrial sector.

For domestic, most people neither know or care.

True, but you do get the odd punter who might have heard of them, or at least vaguely recognise their logo.

No one has heard of napit and what ever the other ones are called :wink:
 
For me based on my experience with them its got to be NICEIC, they have a very good reputation with the public and a very recognisable logo, additionally they are often specced by local authorities and you can be unfairly excluded from tendering if you are not in - saying that a lot of newcommers join Elecsa, which is actually part of ECA first and move to NICEIC a few years down the line, no idea why this happens but i've seen several people do it, lots of kitchen fitters etc joined Elecsa so perhaps it has lower entry requirements :?:
 
Hi.

I'm going to start trading next year and I looking for some constructive advice on the different part P scheme providers. Are some better than others, I've noticed that some providers criteria differs slightly.

Thanks Stewart

OK big questions
1. What qualifications do you have, right now
2. Do you plan to do domestic, or commerical work

Ill be doing domestic work. The qualifications I have are

17th edition wiring regs
NVQ3 Installing and commissioning electrotechnical systems
 
Whats happening in June. Are the goal posts getting moved again?

I have cut and pasted this from"elesewhere". but may be of help

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The Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET - www.theiet.org) has announced that all Qualified Supervisors will - from July 2011 - have to hold higher qualifications. An industry wide agreement means that a Level 3 qualification, or equivalent, will become the minimum technical requirement for all new applications for the position of Qualified Supervisor:

This important decision highlights the importance of reflecting the industry's recognised standards in a Level 3 qualification. It also sets it as the benchmark for ensuring safety standards within the electrical contracting sector.

All new applications for qualifying supervisors who are legally responsible for the day-to-day technical activities of electrical companies in scope to Part P of the Building Regulations will require the new QCF Level 3 NVQ Certificate in Installing, Testing and Ensuring Compliance of Electrical Installation Work in Dwellings. This qualification will include the requirement to undertake an occupational competence assessment.

Qualified supervisors responsible for all types of electrical installation will require the new QCF Level 3 NVQ Diploma in Installing Electrotechnical Systems and Equipment (Building and Structures). This qualification will require candidates to pass an assessment of occupational competence. Qualifying supervisors responsible for all types of electrical installation will require the new QCF Level 3 NVQ Diploma in Installing Electrotechnical Systems and Equipment (Building and Structures). Again, this qualification will require candidates to pass an assessment of occupational competence. The requirements are imposed on those applying for the post of Qualified Supervisor, but will not be applied retrospectively to Qualified Supervisors already in post.

Said IET Chief Engineer, Geoff Cronshaw: "The specification was prepared as part of the support of the electrical industry - and other interested parties - in introducing better electrical safety. It is absolutely right that industry continues to make its mark on regulation. This is a positive move for the industry."

The Electrotechnical Assessment Specification (EAS) Management Committee - chaired by the Electrical Contractors' Association's (ECA) Head of Technical Services, Giuliano Digilio - was involved in this universal agreement with the electrical industry partners. Giuliano Digilio commented: "The ECA welcomes this minimum technical requirement. Maintaining safe practice should be the driving force for anyone working in the electrical industry. Taking the decision to set the industry recognised Level 3 qualification as the minimum technical competence required for qualifying supervisors is a significant step towards delivering safe practice."

David Thomas, the ECA's Education and Training Manager said: "The ECA looks forward to the day when everybody working unsupervised on electrical installations is properly qualified to this standard."

In another comment, Further Education, Skills and Lifelong Learning Minister John Hayes stated: "This is a step forward for the industry and I hope to see others follow suit. Improving skills is essential for the success and reputation of UK firms, and this Government is committed to backing employers that want to raise standards. That's why we are reforming the skills system to make it more responsive to the needs of employers and the economy as a whole.

"Where employers believe there is a need for new professional standards to drive competitiveness, we will work with them to achieve this. A new £50 million Growth and Innovation Fund will support change, including through new occupational licensing arrangements, where it is most needed," concluded Hayes.

The IET committee that reached the decision is made up of representatives of trade associations, including the ECA, the Department for Communities and Local Government, the Electrical Safety Council (ESC), the IET and the competent person scheme.
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Personally, I see no reason why an individual competent person should not be responsible for his own work. That is what the small guy has to do. There should not be a get get out clause for the firms with 100 sparkylabourers and one crusty old g1t who signs anything and never sees the work done.
 
Ill be doing domestic work. The qualifications I have are

17th edition wiring regs
NVQ3 Installing and commissioning electrotechnical systems

Then you will need to find a "PART P" scheme co that will accept your quals.
From their website,to be a full scope spark, NAPIT require:

Quote:
The full scope scheme is for electricians working in
dwellings. NAPIT’s scheme also covers the competence
of such electricians when working in non-domestic
situations and is not limited to Part P work.
The qualifications held must cover all of the three
following elements:
1. Basic electrician’s competence
The qualification must include either:
• A recognised electrician’s apprenticeship and/or qualification (such as C&G 2360 Part 2 or an NVQ level 3), or
• A Certificate of Competence to ISO 17024 covering full
scope electrical work
2. Understanding of BS7671
A certificate covering understanding of the current
edition of BS7671 must be held prior to registration or
obtained within 12 months of a successful on-site
assessment. Acceptable certificates include C&G2382
or equivalent.
3. Competence to inspect, test and certificate
Applicants holding a Certificate of Competence to ISO
17024 will have met this requirement. Other applicants
must obtain a certificate covering the requirements for
inspecting, testing and certificating electrical
installations. This must be held prior to registration or
obtained within 12 months of a successful on-site
assessment. Acceptable certificates include C&G2391,
C&G2400 or equivalent.


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Im leaning towards the NICEIC but I'm not too sure about there criteria where it says
The enterprise shall: a. have carried out domestic electrical installation work for not less than 12 months prior to making an application. I've done domestic installations with other electricians in the past 12 months so I guess I'll be ok. Am I reading this wrong? probably best to phone them.
 
From what I understand about their current set up you go on probation for a year and they check up on you several times before alowing you to trade as an approved contractor, there are some obvious pitfalls to this. You pay up before you start. However you don't have to go through those hoops if you transfer in from another scheme which is why I think this Elecsa to NIC migration after a year or two occours.
 

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