wiring advise please

2 showers and a cooker worrys me a bit

those could easilly add up to 100A or more and while it may be permitted with diversity taken into account on a domestic supply i would strongly advise you to talk to your rec and get your supply upgraded to 100A or even 125A if it isn't so rated already

btw does anyone make 125/125 split CUs the mk stuff seems to stop at 100A?
 
ok scrap the other shower im ripping it out, what do you think of the mk unit in the link, and what sort of amps rating are ok for this setup, does that Mk look about right?

1.5mm lights
2.5 for the ring
6.0 mm radial for the cooker
2.mm for the kitchen circuit
 
6A-lights
16A for a 2.5mm cuircuit with one socket or fcu
16A or 20A for a 2.5mm radial
32A for a 2.5mm ring or 4mm radial

need more info on cooker and shower to size breakers and cables for them correctly
 
Where's FWL with his RCBO advice? Now that he's a supplier I can see why he's been softening us all up re those :wink:

Darren - to choose your board, you first need to decide what circuits you need, e.g.

1. Lighting - ground floor
2. Lighting - 1st floor
3. Ring - Kitchen
4. Fridge/Freezer
5. Ring - ground floor
6. Ring - 1st floor
7. Oven
8. Boiler
9. Smoke alarm
10. Burglar alarm
11. Outside lighting
12. Outbuilding(s)
13. Shower(s)

F/F separate from the kitchen supply so that it can be non-RCD. 12 & 13 might be better off on separate dedicated CUs.

Re the 1.0/1.5 lighting question, 1.5 would allow you to use a higher rated breaker if you needed to to stop nuisance trips of the lighting MCBs when bulbs blow, as an alternative to Type Cs, which some people frown on.

Then you need to decide which you want to be RCD protected, and which not. Some you should, some you shouldn't, in between it's personal preference.

Then you need to choose a board with the right number of ways on each side, plus spares on each side.

Then you need to size your circuits to match cable and MCB ratings to the loads, remebering to use cable derating factors for grouping and insulation etc as appropriate, and thinking about voltage drop.

Then you will be able to tell if that MK one on eBay is what you need. For the sake of the price of a meal for two at a halfway decent restaurant, don't compromise because you've seen a bargain CU.

BTW - don't think anybody has asked this - do you have a TT supply? If so, the specs for your board need to include a 100mA Type S (time delayed) RCD incomer, and ALL sockets MUST be on 30mA RCD, not just downstairs ones.
 
out of interest on a TT would there be any problem with useing a switch-rcd split provided you only used rcbos on the non-rcd side?
 
ban-all-sheds said:
Then you will be able to tell if that MK one on eBay is what you need. For the sake of the price of a meal for two at a halfway decent restaurant, don't compromise because you've seen a bargain CU.
just thought that the mk one was a decent unit, people reted them on here, so I thought it would be a good starting point, the guy sells loads of them, ( all new)

What is a TT supply.

Darren
 
Thing with MK is they make decent accessories, but when it comes to boards...well nevermind...

Just to list a few:

MEM (Personal Favourite)
Crabtree (pretty decent)
Hagar (aint really used)
Protec (keep away)
Proteus (keep away)
Square D (aint really used)
Contactum (not too bad)
Wylex (aint really used)
Merlin Gerin (pretty decent)

TT system (usually over-head supply), means of earthing is by electrode, plate etc or when local electricity suppliers cant be bothered to sort out there mess and change the earthing arrangements to suit themselves.......
 
MEM, yes I remember in my dads factory when I was a kid, a big leaver to un the power on........

anyway, http://www.3kw.co.uk/memconsumer.html is that waht you mean, can they be bought cheaper? and do most people go for the 14 for the future.

Darren
 
plugwash said:
out of interest on a TT would there be any problem with useing a switch-rcd split provided you only used rcbos on the non-rcd side?
No idea - sorry
 
darren7 said:
just thought that the mk one was a decent unit, people reted them on here, so I thought it would be a good starting point, the guy sells loads of them, ( all new)
Probably bought up some bankrupt stock - he does have a fair number of them. It's a current model according to the MK website. He has sockets etc too.

Ask the guy on eBay what the provenance of the items is, but on the face of it they look OK.

And they do have a good rep - aeroplane man is in a minority, I think, when he rates them poorly.
 
yes so many to choose from and so many options,
Even if I dont carry the work out myself I really want to be clued up on this
http://www.sparksdirect.co.uk/products/sections/consumer units/1.htm
A lot of people line the Hager split loads like the 1 above. or the 12 way may be better.

Split 6 and 6 looks good

If I work out the exact ratings on the circuits, and the cable, cooker power ect can you advise the exact brakers to go for.

Sorry for this Darren
 
darren7 said:
yes so many to choose from and so many options,
Even if I dont carry the work out myself I really want to be clued up on this
Good idea, but I'm not sure that it should be an "if" about not DIYing. Getting clued up is one thing - learning enough to do a complete rewire of a house is another. It isn't necessarily beyond the grasp of a DIY-er, but I get the impression that you are at the beginning of the learnng curve, not the end.

http://www.sparksdirect.co.uk/products/sections/consumer%20units/1.htm
A lot of people line the Hager split loads like the 1 above. or the 12 way may be better.

Split 6 and 6 looks good
If you're getting an electrician in, he will probably supply the CU, and he will use a make with which he has become comfortable in terms of ease of fitting, quality, reliability, versatility etc.

If I work out the exact ratings on the circuits, and the cable, cooker power ect can you advise the exact brakers to go for.

Sorry for this Darren
That isn't necessarily a simple task. You need to know the length of the circuits to check voltage drop and disconnection times, you need to adjust the current-carrying capacity of cables according to whether they are buried in walls, installed in conduit, or in insulation, or in bunches with other cables, and you need to make all the fundamental design decisions above about what circuits you need and where.

And as you are going to be using an electrician, that's his job - even if you do it as well, he will still have to do it himself.

The basic rules-of-thumb (2.5mm & 30/32A for rings, 4/6mm, 30/40A for cooker, 10mm 50A for shower etc have all been stated above.
 

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