wiring help

[Spark123]

Since when did a shed become a special location?

Around about 1st January 2005, if i'm not mistaken

Rob

Can't see it in BS7671?

 

[jondiy]

Shed or not , its still fixed wiring for external power, so no get out clause here!!

 

[Pensdown]

Also my liability insurance specifically excludes me from giving such specific advice for others to carry out work- this was made plain to me at the outset of the policy. Had a person call me asking what cables go where as he forgot to note locations when he took his light switch off- got huffed when I told him I could not tell him as if he blew himself up or hurt someone I could be sued- he promised not to sue me, but I told him politely I couldn't tell anyway without seeing the job.

Then why come on a DIY site and post?

If its the same as mine,

Live incoming to the top left of the RCD
Neutral incoming to the top right of the RCD

Live out for the circuits to the tops of the 2 MCBs

Looks like you need to fit a link from the neutral bar to the bottom right of the RCD.

Live out from RCD looks already connected (to other 2 MCBs)

Where does this thing get power from (MCB, cable size/type, cable length and route)?

Fixed wiring is just that, FIXED. Those flexes need clipping with the right clips. Should cost less than a pound to put right.

Hope you have told building control about this - its rather illegal if not. I kid you not.

As Crafty has shown you can still post without going straight to jail

 

[Dellsmp]

Spark 123, If you are a spark then you WILL know all about Part P of the building regs, if not then look them up, there are plenty of links on this site, and I'm sure if you look at B-A-S's posts you'll find a vast array of excellent explanations.

 

[Dellsmp]

Pensdown, you are quite correct, we can advise people on electrics and still give information about current legislation, and I too am of the opinion that a correctly advised competent diy'er is safer than a non-advised diy'er. But when a poster obviously has no clue whatsover then I reserve the right to only give the advice to 'get a registered spark in'. or If I consider that a post has been sufficiently answered already then I tend to 'keep my big mouth shut'

 

[Spark123]

Spark 123, If you are a spark then you WILL know all about Part P of the building regs, if not then look them up, there are plenty of links on this site, and I'm sure if you look at B-A-S's posts you'll find a vast array of excellent explanations.

On a chord with B-A-S, I also do not like people misquoting the laws on electrical installation work. A shed is NOT a special location. The electrical work in a shed is not notifiable unless it is creating a new circuit or new outdoor wiring, see page 8 paragraph f.
http://www.odpm.gov.uk/pub/323/ApprovedDocumentPElectricalsafetydwellings2006edition_id1164323.pdf

 

[swelec]

what colour is the wire in position 3 on the earth block and where does it originate from?

 

[Dellsmp]

So as the original post is about NEW circuits in a shed, supplying outdoor equipment, do YOU think it falls under the remit of part p or not?
You will also see that You asked about whether a shed was a special location in BS7671 which you well know it isnt, but that it falls under the legislation in part p, hence my reply
So no laws were mis-quoted, rather you asked about 7671 when building regs were the legislation in question.

 

[Spark123]

So as the original post is about NEW circuits in a shed, supplying outdoor equipment, do YOU think it falls under the remit of part p or not?

Yes, all domestic electrical work now falls under the remit of part p, wether or not it is notifiable is another question. I never questioned wether it is notifiable or not, just "since when did a shed become a special location"?

You will also see that You asked about whether a shed was a special location in BS7671 which you well know it isnt, but that it falls under the legislation in part p, hence my reply

It does not fall into the scope of a special location, it is notifiable under part p owing to the fact it is a new circuit or part of it is a special installation, not because a shed is a special location (which unless you install a shower etc in it, it isn't).

So no laws were mis-quoted, rather you asked about 7671 when building regs were the legislation in question.

I believe they were, a shed in its own right is not a special location. I quoted bs7671 as the special locations in the SI are referred to as those in bs7671, no more and no less.

 

[Dellsmp]

Spark, lets not get tied up about this eh? Ok since 6th April you are right and technically a shed is not a special location, I apologise for my unexcuseable error and promise to thrash myself soundly for it
Now, we all agree that this kind of work is however notifiable, and as professionals we should be making every effort to responsibly convey that to our diying chums, whilst offering the competent (oops theres that word again) ones all the advice we can
Just a general question now: If the Si refers to 7671 for the definitions of special locations, is a kitchen still a special location? I only ask as A) I cant get the link to it to work tonight, keeps saying there's an error and B) Kitchens aren't a special location in 7671.
I do apologise for coming across as pedantic? don't mean to, just trying to help

 

[Spark123]

A kitchen is reffered to in the SI as a kitchen, not a special location. There are still extra limitations on what you can do to the electrical installation in a kitchen without notification. The noticable one is you can install elv telephone/alarm cables in a kitchen without notification which you can't do in a special location.

 

[Dellsmp]

Cheers, what do you think about a sticky section on here which highlights relevent updates to the regs?

 

[Spark123]

Would be a good idea, also to sticky ban-all-sheds new summary would be a help, there is a reference to part p in the "Welcome to the new electrics forum" announcement although the info this links to is pre 6th April.

 

[Dellsmp]

Cant see the mods allowing Ban to have his own section, not unless he apologises to them first
reckon hell might freeze over before that happens

 

[Spark123]