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Am I just getting bad plumbers (daft woman emoticon) or am I just stupid?
After days, nay, years of your experience and time on here sorting out what to do with my vented, one-pipe system, I thought I found a good un.
New boiler in, house toasty, everything fine.
But the new shower he fitted seems to be crap. There are two opinions:
1. the plumber, his mate and some people on here: on any vented system with the header tank just a few feet above shower head, it's gonna be crap...
2. according to simond (on here) the flow should be (whatever? even on an unpressurised system? I'm assuming that's what you meant) at least 5-6 L per minute and the thermostatically controlled temp (assuming enough hot water in the cylinder) should be 38 degrees when on that max setting. Right?
Well it isn't (any of the latter). It comes out at about 2.5L per minute and at 33 degrees.
OK so there's perhaps an installation problem? Or is the first version also right or possible (I just need a pump?)
Me and my Darling Husband are DIY idiots (can you tell? ) but we're unsure about how to proceed.
When I call the plumber tomorrow, I really need advice about how to deal with it. Has he just fleeced me? He's had thousands of our cash for this job.
I told him I wanted two proper showers each morning; I said I thought we'd perhaps needa bigger cylinder. He fudged it and told me there would be more hot water - but seems to have put one in exactly the same size. The physical capacity of it is 1050mm by 400 mm: it says on the front 114 L hot capacity. As someone else pointed out, with a pump, there is no way this would deliver two proper showers.
So... I'm left thinking a. there is an error, it was a Friday night, he wanted to take the money and run or b. he must have known all along there would be a pressure issue, he had some old cylinder he needed to get rid of, he hoped we'd just ask for a pump, bit of an extra job for him...?
I really don't mind paying for the job I asked for but one of the key things I asked for hasn't happened. What do I ask him to do tomorrow that isn't going to **** him off or make him switch his phone off and will get him back to do the job properly?
Or should we cut our losses, and try and do the job ourselves
and God knows how: we don't know a washer from a brick...
Please. Thanks
MonkeyBird
After days, nay, years of your experience and time on here sorting out what to do with my vented, one-pipe system, I thought I found a good un.
New boiler in, house toasty, everything fine.
But the new shower he fitted seems to be crap. There are two opinions:
1. the plumber, his mate and some people on here: on any vented system with the header tank just a few feet above shower head, it's gonna be crap...
2. according to simond (on here) the flow should be (whatever? even on an unpressurised system? I'm assuming that's what you meant) at least 5-6 L per minute and the thermostatically controlled temp (assuming enough hot water in the cylinder) should be 38 degrees when on that max setting. Right?
Well it isn't (any of the latter). It comes out at about 2.5L per minute and at 33 degrees.
OK so there's perhaps an installation problem? Or is the first version also right or possible (I just need a pump?)
Me and my Darling Husband are DIY idiots (can you tell? ) but we're unsure about how to proceed.
When I call the plumber tomorrow, I really need advice about how to deal with it. Has he just fleeced me? He's had thousands of our cash for this job.
I told him I wanted two proper showers each morning; I said I thought we'd perhaps needa bigger cylinder. He fudged it and told me there would be more hot water - but seems to have put one in exactly the same size. The physical capacity of it is 1050mm by 400 mm: it says on the front 114 L hot capacity. As someone else pointed out, with a pump, there is no way this would deliver two proper showers.
So... I'm left thinking a. there is an error, it was a Friday night, he wanted to take the money and run or b. he must have known all along there would be a pressure issue, he had some old cylinder he needed to get rid of, he hoped we'd just ask for a pump, bit of an extra job for him...?
I really don't mind paying for the job I asked for but one of the key things I asked for hasn't happened. What do I ask him to do tomorrow that isn't going to **** him off or make him switch his phone off and will get him back to do the job properly?
Or should we cut our losses, and try and do the job ourselves
and God knows how: we don't know a washer from a brick...
Please. Thanks
MonkeyBird