What about his human rights ?

[cantaloup63]

That's a matter of opinion

No its the law.
Check it out.

You're claiming it's the law that the conductor must allow the journey to continue and that he must tell the driver and that they must tell the police? Think that it's up to you to source this law, not for me to spend any of my time seeking for what is probably not even there

 

[cantaloup63]

If you delay a train at a station (all night cuz he's getting paid for it) it causes massive problems across the whole network because trains can't pass each other like buses can and the train will run late all night inconveniencing thousands. I doubt that the Scotrail bosses will be impressed with his attitude.
He WILL go.

There's only one person who delayed the journey here, and it wasn't the conductor

 

[joe-90]

Yes it was. It was a trivial matter - not worth blocking the world for. He was clueless. He WILL be sacked.

 

[cantaloup63]

Yes it was. It was a trivial matter - not worth blocking the world for. He was clueless. He WILL be sacked.

Wrong on all counts

 

[joe-90]

How would you know?

 

[cantaloup63]

How would you know?

Because its the law. Check it out

 

[joe-90]

What law? FFS are you pi$sed already?

 

[pred]

No ticket! No human rights! SIMPLES!!

 

[Alarm]

You're claiming it's the law that the conductor must allow the journey to continue and that he must tell the driver and that they must tell the police? Think that it's up to you to source this law, not for me to spend any of my time seeking for what is probably not even there

Shame on you

The 1889 Regulation of Railways Act states that a passenger must on request surrender either:

1) A ticket for the journey
2) The fare for the journey
or
3) The persons name and address.

If a person fails to do any of the three, then a Railway Employee may arrest without warrant that person - they will have then committed an offence which should be dealt with by way of summons (or s.25 PACE arrest if they persist in refusing to give details).

Should they offer their name and address, then the train company will bill them for the fare. Non payment then is generally dealt with as a civil matter.

If someone has faked a ticket, then they can be arrested for attempting to obtain a service by deception.

To add nothing there says getting another passenger to throw them off, nor goading the others to gain ill feeling.

 

[cantaloup63]

What law? FFS are you pi$sed already?

Stone cold sober. Employment law - you're sacking someone without a fair hearing.

 

[joe-90]

He'll get a fair hearing - then they'll sack him. It's a disaster for Scotrail's customer services.

 

[cantaloup63]

You're claiming it's the law that the conductor must allow the journey to continue and that he must tell the driver and that they must tell the police? Think that it's up to you to source this law, not for me to spend any of my time seeking for what is probably not even there

Shame on you

The 1889 Regulation of Railways Act states that a passenger must on request surrender either:

1) A ticket for the journey
2) The fare for the journey
or
3) The persons name and address.

If a person fails to do any of the three, then a Railway Employee may arrest without warrant that person - they will have then committed an offence which should be dealt with by way of summons (or s.25 PACE arrest if they persist in refusing to give details).

Should they offer their name and address, then the train company will bill them for the fare. Non payment then is generally dealt with as a civil matter.

If someone has faked a ticket, then they can be arrested for attempting to obtain a service by deception.

To add nothing there says getting another passenger to throw them off, nor goading the others to gain ill feeling.

No goading took place - he advised him that other passengers may get upset. The passnger failed on all three counts and the conductor could have arrested him (presumably using reasonable physical restraint) but chose not to. At no stage does it say that he should tell the driver to continue, nor does it say that he must inform the police. The other passenger asked the guard if he wanted the young man to leave, and the guard said yes. He didn't request the large bloke to take physical action.

 

[joe-90]

You must be watching the Mary Poppins video.

 

[cantaloup63]

He'll get a fair hearing - then they'll sack him. It's a disaster for Scotrail's customer services.

Why is a guard acting within the law and upholding the requirements of the company a disaster for customer services?

 

[cantaloup63]

You must be watching the Mary Poppins video.

Heaven knows what you watched.