Women and children first

[sooey]

You'd have to take pcplod.....you could always throw him overboard later.

 

[Inky Pete]

The FASTEST way to get EVERYONE off either a ship or a plane is to shove them on the boats or out the doors in the order they get there.

But if it takes 12 hours for the ship to sink?

Do you just shove everyone and anyone on as they come along

Yep, that's exactly what you do.

Because, on a modern cruise liner THERE ARE ENOUGH BOATS FOR EVERYONE! So what does it matter who gets in which boat as long as they're all launched as soon as they're full.

Plus, if you do find yourself with 12 hours to play with and enough boats unusable to leave you short of capacity, then there's plenty of time for the first boats you launch to ferry their passengers to land or to rescue ships and then to return for more.

 

[sooey]

Plus, if you do find yourself with 12 hours to play with and enough boats unusable to leave you short of capacity, then there's plenty of time for the first boats you launch to ferry their passengers to land or to rescue ships and then to return for more.

Middle of the ocean remember.

 

[sooey]

Someone's got to do the rowing.

 

[cantaloup63]

Someone's got to do the rowing.

Can't wait for the inevitable screen capture of this little conversation of ours

 

[Inky Pete]

Plus, if you do find yourself with 12 hours to play with and enough boats unusable to leave you short of capacity, then there's plenty of time for the first boats you launch to ferry their passengers to land or to rescue ships and then to return for more.

Middle of the ocean remember.

On a passenger route with NOT ONE other merchant, passenger or naval ship from ANY nation, anywhere within 12 hours steaming distance (at least 300 miles)????

How many places in the world fit those criteria?

 

[cantaloup63]

On a passenger route with NOT ONE other merchant, passenger or naval ship from ANY nation, anywhere within 12 hours steaming distance (at least 300 miles)????

How many places in the world fit those criteria?

If it was run by Northern Rail, there would be quite a few places that would fit that criteria

 

[sooey]

Plus, if you do find yourself with 12 hours to play with and enough boats unusable to leave you short of capacity, then there's plenty of time for the first boats you launch to ferry their passengers to land or to rescue ships and then to return for more.

Middle of the ocean remember.

On a passenger route with NOT ONE other merchant, passenger or naval ship from ANY nation, anywhere within 12 hours steaming distance (at least 300 miles)???? How many places in the world fit those criteria?

Quite a few I think, the point is we're talking worst case scenarios.

 

[Inky Pete]

Plus, if you do find yourself with 12 hours to play with and enough boats unusable to leave you short of capacity, then there's plenty of time for the first boats you launch to ferry their passengers to land or to rescue ships and then to return for more.

Middle of the ocean remember.

On a passenger route with NOT ONE other merchant, passenger or naval ship from ANY nation, anywhere within 12 hours steaming distance (at least 300 miles)???? How many places in the world fit those criteria?

Quite a few I think, the point is we're talking worst case scenarios.

An area of sea with a radius of 300 miles covers well over a quarter of a million square miles. NOT ONE other ship in all of that? On a route travelled by passenger ships (which, where they cross large expanses of open ocean also tend to be the same seaways that all the merchant ships use)?

The level of safety equipment on cruise ships is determined under international maritime law not just by the number of people on board, but also by the routes they are to sail - so the few cruise ships which go down to the Antarctic, for example, have to carry a significantly greater percentage of over capacity in lifeboats, more rations of fuel, food and water in the boats, plus cold weather survival suits for everyone etc. etc.

 

[sooey]

I still say if we're talking worst case scenarios then you have to imagine that you're somewhere where there is no quick help available, but put that to one side and imagine being on this ship with 12 hrs available. How do you know it's got 12 hrs available? Who can say for sure that a sinking ship will stay afloat for x amount of time? Would you be happy to stand aside and wait for the lifeboats to return in....say seven or eight hours?

 

[gregers]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_children_first_(saying)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...d-women-children-first.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/women-and-children-first.html

at the end of the day'I HOPE ME AND MY LOVED ONES ARE NEVER IN THIS SITUATION',and yours,but believe me i would save mine over yours any day .
but all joking apart unless anyone of us has/have been in this awful situation then i really hand on heart cannot say how i would react.
i would like to think i would be as helpful as i possible could,im a fairly confident swimmer but that may be of no use if your hurt or trying to hold on to your loved ones.

 

[Inky Pete]

If we're talking worst case scenarios, a cruise ship could be hit by a large meteorite and vaporised instantaneously!

You can only plan for emergencies with any likelihood of a) happening, and b) being survivable. The consensus on here seems to be that adult women shouldn't automatically get priority over adult men, so we're left with the question - at what age does a young male receive this automatic death sentence? 14? 16? 18? 21? And how do you expect the lifeboat crew to check the exact age of every young person before allowing them on board - with a ship sinking under them.

The quicker the sinking, the more reason to just pile as many people into boats as fast as possible and get them away. Just like a rapid aircraft evacuation.

A slower developing emergency will always give more time to ensure that everyone gets to their allocated boat, and that everyone who can be saved, gets saved.

 

[sooey]

If we're talking worst case scenarios, a cruise ship could be hit by a large meteorite and vaporised instantaneously!

Kids stuff...the sun could go nova and we'd all be vapourised immediately.
Well, after eight and a half minutes anyway.

 

[sameold]

Oh ffs No one's arguing against children going first. That leaves women taking precedence over men purely on the basis of their sex. That is not right in my eyes when a young healthy man with his whole life ahead would be expected to give way to some old biddy who may well have a heart attack a week later.

Supposing the 'old biddy' was your mum and the 'young healthy man' was the son of someone who you did not get on with because of an incident between you two in your younger years.

Would you still have the same view?

What about a reply to this instead of thinking about bimbo's?

She would push you first. as SHE has a brain.

Bet she wishes her son had one.

 

[RedHerring2]

Someone's got to do the rowing.

Can't wait for the inevitable screen capture of this little conversation of ours

I think it's been a reasonable discussion about sexism and ageism in a specific scenario.
There's been a few humorous comments and a few hypothetical scenarios, but nothing that could be considered outright sexist or ageist.

I'm not the forum policeman, and I don't take the decisions about what is acceptable or not. I no longer report anything that I consider is offensive. As I explained in another topic, I am continuing to take screen shots.

This is one of those rare moments when GD doesn't degenerate into a petty squabble or an excuse to let off silly comments.

There's even been a few genuinely informative and substantially contributory posts.