Fox Hunting.

[peaps]

BTW peaps, we are never in a million years going to agree.

I can sympathise with certain points anti's make but what gets me is the way in which they feel the need to act.

I used to hunt with dogs, Lurcher's, terriers and Ferrets. Spent some time with Dave Hancock, I had one of his dogs. So we are similar in many ways.

 

[petit_pablo]

Civil disobedience is a common amongst social movements and in my view is a vital tactic if animal liberation is to be achieved.

Jurisprudence.....

So its ok to break the law as long as its for a purpose?

Typical response, I suppose you just open the door and they go out and fetch you rabbits..? Domestic dogs hunting traits have to be encouraged.

Um.. yes they would, or anything else they came across. Many domestic dogs lack that hunting instinct due to years of breeding and cross breeding. Whippets and other breeds of long dog need no encouragement to chase a furry.

I don't discriminate and yes the question was relevant considering you are discussion the subject with an animal rights advocate. You knew what was coming and started back peddling.

No back peddling here. Comparing a dog to a wild animal is not the same whatever side of the fence you are on.

Yes illegal rabbiting, hunting with dogs.

For someone who is so involved with animals rights surely you would know that the use of dogs to catch rabbits is exempt from the hunting act?

 

[petit_pablo]

I used to hunt with dogs, Lurcher's, terriers and Ferrets. Spent some time with Dave Hancock, I had one of his dogs. So we are similar in many ways.

I presume you can see a hunters point of view then even if you dont agree with it.

May i ask what happened for you to swing so far in the opposite direction from pro to anti?

We are almost keeping this thread civilised

 

[peaps]

So its ok to break the law as long as its for a purpose?

Question was answered.

Jurisprudence.....

Um.. yes they would, or anything else they came across. Many domestic dogs lack that hunting instinct due to years of breeding and cross breeding. Whippets and other breeds of long dog need no encouragement to chase a furry.

All dogs have the chase instinct, puppies display this when "playing" and is what is honed in many training methods. With domestic dogs you have to do what the pack does if they were wild, train the pup to hunt honing the chase instinct. You then take it out to hunt.

No back peddling here. Comparing a dog to a wild animal is not the same whatever side of the fence you are on.

Please tell me how you come about this conclusion considering ARAs are against speciesism..?

For someone who is so involved with animals rights surely you would know that the use of dogs to catch rabbits is exempt from the hunting act?

Yes I'm aware of this, It was sarcasm, I assume you have never caught a hare with your dogs? Yes I'm aware they are not the best of hare dogs but hare they can catch.

If we were to give animal equal consideration then we would not be discussing the hunting act and since some ARAs consider it morally acceptable to break the law to protect animal interests.....

 

[peaps]

I presume you can see a hunters point of view then even if you dont agree with it.

I can yes.

May i ask what happened for you to swing so far in the opposite direction from pro to anti?

I evolved.

We are almost keeping this thread civilised [/quote]

Yes it make a refreshing change.

 

[Alarm]

Think I might join you in Derbyshire , up there soon myself.

Will be a mistake.

Hmmm had a look at this drivel by a criminal for a laugh again, if you look back it seems peaps says it would be a error for me to be in Derbyshire. (See above)

Care to explain this peaps?

I would really like to know why you think it would be. Do try and be explicit, as your meandering often wanders so far it is boring.

 

[peaps]

Think I might join you in Derbyshire , up there soon myself.

Will be a mistake.

Hmmm had a look at this drivel by a criminal for a laugh again, if you look back it seems peaps says it would be a error for me to be in Derbyshire. (See above)

Care to explain this peaps?

I would really like to know why you think it would be. Do try and be explicit, as your meandering often wanders so far it is boring.

Jog-on son, you are way out of your league

 

[gasbanni]

In today's press, posted for people who cannot see the relationship between animal cruelty and eventual murders.



"A PETA spokesman said: 'An entire community is at risk when someone gets away with torturing small animals who can't fight back. If the people responsible are not stopped, then it is almost inevitable that their violence will escalate.

'History shows that murderers often have a history of cruelty to animals. Child-killers Robert Thompson and Jon Venables and serial murderers Ian Huntley, Thomas Hamilton, Fred West and Ian Brady all started on their violent paths by deliberately harming animals. Raoul Moat also reportedly had a history of abusing animals.

'Anyone capable of deliberately inflicting such suffering on a defenceless individual demonstrates a deeply disturbed psychological state. It is a matter of urgency that those responsible for this barbarous act be found.'

A number of studies have linked animal abuse with other types of human-on-human violence, although this does not mean children who are cruel to animals necessarily go on to be violent adults.

Organisations such as the NSPCC, RSPCA and other charities are involved in ongoing efforts to tackle problems associated with young people and animal abuse."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iglet-death-violent-attack.html#ixzz1pIpePior

 

[peaps]

In today's press, posted for people who cannot see the relationship between animal cruelty and eventual murders.



"A PETA spokesman said: 'An entire community is at risk when someone gets away with torturing small animals who can't fight back. If the people responsible are not stopped, then it is almost inevitable that their violence will escalate.

'History shows that murderers often have a history of cruelty to animals. Child-killers Robert Thompson and Jon Venables and serial murderers Ian Huntley, Thomas Hamilton, Fred West and Ian Brady all started on their violent paths by deliberately harming animals. Raoul Moat also reportedly had a history of abusing animals.

'Anyone capable of deliberately inflicting such suffering on a defenceless individual demonstrates a deeply disturbed psychological state. It is a matter of urgency that those responsible for this barbarous act be found.'

A number of studies have linked animal abuse with other types of human-on-human violence, although this does not mean children who are cruel to animals necessarily go on to be violent adults.

Organisations such as the NSPCC, RSPCA and other charities are involved in ongoing efforts to tackle problems associated with young people and animal abuse."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ath-violent-attack.html#ixzz1pIpePior[/QUOTE]

What does that say about you and your friend who poisoned two dogs, your words..?

You have no cred, move on.

 

[gasbanni]

In today's press, posted for people who cannot see the relationship between animal cruelty and eventual murders.



"A PETA spokesman said: 'An entire community is at risk when someone gets away with torturing small animals who can't fight back. If the people responsible are not stopped, then it is almost inevitable that their violence will escalate.

'History shows that murderers often have a history of cruelty to animals. Child-killers Robert Thompson and Jon Venables and serial murderers Ian Huntley, Thomas Hamilton, Fred West and Ian Brady all started on their violent paths by deliberately harming animals. Raoul Moat also reportedly had a history of abusing animals.

'Anyone capable of deliberately inflicting such suffering on a defenceless individual demonstrates a deeply disturbed psychological state. It is a matter of urgency that those responsible for this barbarous act be found.'

A number of studies have linked animal abuse with other types of human-on-human violence, although this does not mean children who are cruel to animals necessarily go on to be violent adults.

Organisations such as the NSPCC, RSPCA and other charities are involved in ongoing efforts to tackle problems associated with young people and animal abuse."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ath-violent-attack.html#ixzz1pIpePior[/QUOTE]

What does that say about you and your friend who poisoned two dogs, your words..?

You have no cred, move on.

Peaps Peaps That was just a load of Hyperbole ! The only thing that happened was the trap was smashed I didn't do anything else I was just winding up the oppo !!! Me poison two dogs Never ! I thought from all the other posts you would have realized that !
Burning out cars etc etc er not really !!!

 

[peaps]

In today's press, posted for people who cannot see the relationship between animal cruelty and eventual murders.



"A PETA spokesman said: 'An entire community is at risk when someone gets away with torturing small animals who can't fight back. If the people responsible are not stopped, then it is almost inevitable that their violence will escalate.

'History shows that murderers often have a history of cruelty to animals. Child-killers Robert Thompson and Jon Venables and serial murderers Ian Huntley, Thomas Hamilton, Fred West and Ian Brady all started on their violent paths by deliberately harming animals. Raoul Moat also reportedly had a history of abusing animals.

'Anyone capable of deliberately inflicting such suffering on a defenceless individual demonstrates a deeply disturbed psychological state. It is a matter of urgency that those responsible for this barbarous act be found.'

A number of studies have linked animal abuse with other types of human-on-human violence, although this does not mean children who are cruel to animals necessarily go on to be violent adults.

Organisations such as the NSPCC, RSPCA and other charities are involved in ongoing efforts to tackle problems associated with young people and animal abuse."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ath-violent-attack.html#ixzz1pIpePior[/QUOTE]

What does that say about you and your friend who poisoned two dogs, your words..?

You have no cred, move on.

Peaps Peaps That was just a load of Hyperbole ! The only thing that happened was the trap was smashed I didn't do anything else I was just winding up the oppo !!! Me poison two dogs Never ! I thought from all the other posts you would have realized that !
Burning out cars etc etc er not really !!!

 

[alumni]

You couldn't make this **** up, you really couldn't.

 

[gremlin16]

You couldn't make this s**t up, you really couldn't.

peaps and gas barmy could.

 

[peaps]

Peaps Peaps That was just a load of Hyperbole ! The only thing that happened was the trap was smashed I didn't do anything else I was just winding up the oppo !!! Me poison two dogs Never ! I thought from all the other posts you would have realized that !
Burning out cars etc etc er not really !!!

He was trapping anykind of bird so that he could teach his son to kill without compassion, I was told the names of the birds but I can't remember what they were. when they were let out they were flapping about and couldn't fly and were then blasted with a shotgun.

I think it would have been much more fun to barricade the doors on the out side set fire to the house and shoot at the farmer and his family as they tried to escape from the windows, wearing animal masks and making barking noises. he would have probably enjoyed seeing his family slaughtered first by gun toting animals I'm assuming he would have appreciated the 'sport'.

Breaking up an illegal trap that was only the start you should have seen what we did over two years !

sabotaged two tractors burnt out three cars smashed windows and poisoned his two dogs. cost him his marriage and his farm.

It was a while back and we did act like terrorists I'll admit now but I was younger..........wouldnt do it now but it seemed like a good idea at the time

Clear cut if you ask me.

 

[gasbanni]

Peaps Peaps That was just a load of Hyperbole ! The only thing that happened was the trap was smashed I didn't do anything else I was just winding up the oppo !!! Me poison two dogs Never ! I thought from all the other posts you would have realized that !
Burning out cars etc etc er not really !!!

He was trapping anykind of bird so that he could teach his son to kill without compassion, I was told the names of the birds but I can't remember what they were. when they were let out they were flapping about and couldn't fly and were then blasted with a shotgun.

I think it would have been much more fun to barricade the doors on the out side set fire to the house and shoot at the farmer and his family as they tried to escape from the windows, wearing animal masks and making barking noises. he would have probably enjoyed seeing his family slaughtered first by gun toting animals I'm assuming he would have appreciated the 'sport'.

Breaking up an illegal trap that was only the start you should have seen what we did over two years !

sabotaged two tractors burnt out three cars smashed windows and poisoned his two dogs. cost him his marriage and his farm.

It was a while back and we did act like terrorists I'll admit now but I was younger..........wouldnt do it now but it seemed like a good idea at the time

Clear cut if you ask me.

Peaps I'm on your side ......wearing animal masks and barking whilst shooting the farmer and his family saying they would like it as "Sport" etc etc come on it was a joke ! so was burning cars etc etc surely from my posts you can see I wouldn't poison anything !